I have been reading this thread while waiting for my account to be activated and it certainly is a very interesting debate/topic. For me, people use words to try and antagonise another person or to hurt them, take the hurt out of the word and it becomes nothing. People can call white folks "deamonz" if they so chose to do so. There are several extremist groups within southern Africa who like to refer to white people as "pinks". I guess I am like Reginald D Hunter in that those kinds of words just make me laugh. Being Irish, we have had a lot of crap thrown our direction from many English people. Granted, it isn't the same kind of thing, but the point still remains valid. Words are just words and most of the time they end up being hollow or empty words because the person doesn't know what they are talking about in the first place.
Some of the comments here have been grounded and fairly open minded, others are pretty narrow minded views without any facts or historical sources to back up the viewpoint that they put across to everyone else. I apologise in advance if I have taken a quote from someone out of context.
Marvell wrote "its just a pity that 95% of them are white, and 99.9% of them are pro zionists" Now this was in reference to "occultic practices" but I ask where is your proof that these figures are in fact factual statistics and now just two figures that you plucked out of your head? An occult by definition "of or characteristic of magical, mystical, or supernatural arts, phenomena, or influences" I don't understand how such practices can be deemed as bad things? Unless a person's religion denies that kind of belief, but then again you could argue that religion, a man made construct is in fact magical and mystical. In saying that aren't there are a lot of Christians in the likes of Nigeria, Ghana, Uganda and so on? In that case I feel that your point there is moot.
Feel free to think that I am picking on petercrotch here, but his points are those that I feel are more contestable. He said
"Not all whites are bad i like some but i wouldn't get close to a single one . Aslong as my black brothers and sisters are dying everyday because of disease and malnutrition in africa , where in certain parts you would be considered to have a long life if you have lived till 50 because of you know who f*cked everything up and are STILL CONTINUING TO do it . That i can never forgive white people for nor will i ever . People always see africa as a 3rd world continent but never ask why
You are correct in that not all whites are bad fella, they definitely aren't. However, not wanting to get close to a single one? They are just as imperfect as everyone else and hold the same flaws that everyone else does. Basing a 21st century white person upon what whites did hundreds, thousands of years ago just smacks of a personality formed to bear grudges and hate what people did to somebody else and not himself. Yes, infant mortality in Africa is very low, mortality rates of adults is very low, AID's is rife in Africa, Civil war is a common occurrence and now Islam is moving around certain parts of the continent.
Problem for this statement is, people do see Africa as a 3rd world continent and they do ask questions why and academics do write thesis and so on as to probable causes for this. In all honest the EDC's (economically developed countries) are to a degree responsible for the economical climate in many UEDC's (un economically developed countries (can't remember if that is the correct term)) During the de-colonisation phase countries were given independence and then left to their own devices with little knowledge of economics and basic infrastructural needs that a country needs in order to thrive and develop. In my opinion the EDC's had a responsibility then to ensure that independence was indeed transitional and not just cut throat like it was. Add to that the fact that African countries, alongside the likes of the West Indies and so on,were disadvantaged when it came to trade agreements for their natural resources. That kind of exploitation is one of the reasons why the EDC's are at the level they are economically, and thus, able to thrive and develop infrastructure through education, healthcare etc etc.
However, they cannot be solely responsible for many different scenarios within Africa as a continent. Famine has sparked civil wars, gang culture and divisions of countries. Somalia is a prime example of a country that has been destroyed by the war lords fighting over lands, food, water and money. American intervention on humanitarian grounds in Mogadishu is one of the most high profile events of an EDC response to the genocide caused by these warlords. Having said that, there is a cause for argument that the weapons used for example would have been from American based munitions factories in the first place. Take away any kind of supply and there will be no demand in that case. In Rwanda black people of Tootsie origin have been fighting against the Hutu population of the country. Arguably Belgium may have had some kind of influence long before that situation occurred in which a form of "ethnic cleansing" was done in the most barbaric nature but I cannot be sure on that. It isn't something I have looked into in great depth or detail. I could go into what happened in Zimbabwe (formerly known as Rhodesia) and South Africa but this post is going to be long enough as it is. My point being that I cannot for the life of me attribute all of Africa's problems solely to white people.
Black people have not helped themselves and here is an example; "Swaziland's King Mswati III has bought 10 new BMW series 5 cars for his wives. Swaziland's media reports that it has cost him $820,000. The 36-year-old king frequently hits the headlines with stories about his lavish lifestyle." Now, if people cared about each other in the same country with the continent of Africa, why is this guy, a KING flaunting cash for his wifes when his "subjects" are struggling to put food on the table and many are just about scraping together $1 per day. This is what I don't understand and this hasn't been the one and only time he has done that. Royal Families rarely make their own money, they receive it from the treasury or some kind of state funds (correct me if I am wrong) On another occasion he spent equivalent to 2 years healthcare budget on a jet plane. Just think of the amount of money he could have spent on the healthcare system and made it easier for families to get hold of contraception, vaccines and medicines amongst other things. Those kinds of things are a privilege in Africa because of their expense and their accessibility. He could have helped to build roads so people could get to a hospital, even if it was 50km's away.
He goes on to state " OH pleassssssssssssseeeeeee . If someone is 95 percent of a problem . They are the problem . I don't give a flying cahooters about the measly 5 percent . The state of africa is white peoples fault"
Factually incorrect and I suspect that your "95%" is a figure plucked out of your head and again, further evidence that your grudge towards white people gets in the way of rational thinking.
"Name me one white country where the majority of the people are poor . Oh wait you couldn't and they all SOMEWAY were involved . It weren't just the elite. White people are known to support colonialism . Look how they go on about supporting invading libya and afghanistan and support these white troops"
Erm, Russia, Slovakia, Romania, Georgia...I really could go on about countries that have a significant gap between the poor and the rich whereby distribution of wealth is massively disproportionate. All white folk nations who aren't exactly having as good a time as you seem to think. It wasn't just the current EDC's who were all for expansionist and colonialism ideologies. Take a look at Turkey and the rather "small" empire, but an empire nonetheless that they wanted to have. They weren't white and they weren't Christian or Jewish either. Believe it or not, but going into Afghanistan and the decision to provide support to the insurgency in Libya through air strikes and weaponry are not based on colonial and expansionist ideology. The war in Afghanistan was a result of an age long feud between Islamic extremists (goes back past the holy crusades) who decided to attack the hegemonic state in the global community. Libya was mainly based upon human rights issues and humanitarian intervention, as well as guaranteeing that oil reserves and the terrorist camps set up in Libya are dealt with how the Western Civilisation wants.
"Africa is f*cked up because of white people and they obviously have no interest in fixing it or restoring it back to what it was .
What do we do just accept it uncle tom ?
Do we just say ok your ancestors killed off our people but hey your not all bad even though my people are STILL SUFFERING
Yes there are plenty of nice whites but it doesn;t change the fact that the people that f*cked it up were white but hey some people dont like the truth "
America's intervention in Somalia, Western pressure upon the Apartheid government in South Africa through trade embargos and International isolation, the same was done with Zimbabwe under the Robert Mugabe regime (although judging from what you had said you probably have a shrine to a mass murderer of his own people, never mind intimidation and discrimination towards white farmers, yea, black people aren't all innocent either fella) Add to that the numerous efforts by Red Cross and other charities as well as non government organisations who are trying desperately to change the situation in Africa for everyone. However, if the EDC's were to take their military and move into Africa to remove war lords and so on and free the people from tyranny and dictatorships, the EDC's and whites would still be seen in a bad light because with people like petercrotch, they cannot win regardless of what they do.
Uncle Tom is a term used by Americans for Americans by American troops and not used by white folk around the rest of the world. Americanisation isn't that strong. Adolf Hitler massacred the Jewish population (what he could of) in Germany with the aim of creating the perfect/ayrian race. The people of Germany have moved on and the Jewish people who had their families slaughtered have moved on, they remember, but they don't let it dictate how they live their lives. You call what you say the truth but you have not pointed to historical incidents or given examples that back up your extremely weak argument.
"Oh and slavery hasn't stopped. Africa is still getting raped as we speak" This is a classic case of someone being incredibly naive. Before this he mentioned that slavery is the reason why Africa is the way it is. When you consider all of the facts, slavery may have had an affect, but not anywhere near the levels that war lords and civil wars destroy countries. Africa is raping itself and playing the blame game and blaming every problem in Africa on slavery and the white people is just people burying their heads in the sand and not facing up to the problems head on. "oh well it wasn't our fault, so there is nothing we can do"
I won't bother quoting any more, but I well make reference. Regarding support for the wars, without statistical information you are merely promoting hearsay and speculating upon what I assume is the none information that you have. You are insinuating here that white people are war mongerers, yet we have the likes of North Korea and Iran being aggressive towards other nations and using threats of nuclear technology to have people back down. They aren't white.
This comment was laughable "Di leader of di US is a poppet of di daemonz " because anyone who comes into office in an EDC has legislation that would take years and possibly decades to get changed and passed in the legal institutions required. If you think that that is someone being controlled by white people, then you need to educate yourself on governmental procedures and how difficult it is to amend or change a written and even unwritten constitution. I do note your sense of humour with the blacks on not supporting the war though fella
In relation to the planned capitol of the world is Jerusalem comment. Farcical to be quite frank as the Jewish religion isn't particularly influential and nor is it bigger than Islam and Christianity.
With the slave trade I don't think it is fair to be pointing fingers, there was very few nations or races that were solely innocent during the whole affair. Blacks traded blacks, whites traded everyone, persians traded persions and everyone else and so on and so forth. We are getting into very sticky territory with that whole line of argument. Thankfully the civil rights movements changed that, albeit slowly and over a period of time but lets not forget that in Europe there were slave trades with whites amongst whites and discrimination in Northern Ireland of Catholics by Protestants. Ironic in a sense because Catholicism and Protestantism are virtually Christian faiths in the first place.
"History is being rewritten as we speak . Never trust a european with your history for instance . When we are all dead and buried , lets say in 100 years time ,the history books will tell you we invaded afghanistan because we were at war with an extremist group called the taliban that blew up the world trade centres, when really the daemonz invaded afghanistan to steal there oil and possibly take their opium ." What a lot of absolute guff. State theory may be the dominant ideology amongst governments and their international policy but if you think for one second that the war with Islamic extremists isn't real then perhaps I should buy you a ticket to the part of Pakistan, perhaps to Palestine, Iraq, Iran, Libya etc so you can see for yourself. Why are you using the term "we"? There is more oil in Libya, Iran, Saudi Arabia and Kuwait than there is in Afghanistan. Why do you think Iraq invaded Kuwait in the 90's? haha for their oil, are Iraqi's white? no there are not.
I will leave it at that for now, but will read the page 5 posts and comment too.
