lol rihanna and soulja boy are performing at an essex nightclub!!

[SHAOLIN_SINZ]

No moaning its just guys go on like the music industries so great, so much opportunity its all happy n just wants to help u get your music heard.But thats complete bullshit. Im bringing things to perspective n im giving my experiences in the industry if people dont wanna listen no worries.But the clever listen n take away from it what they can.Ive been making beats years and sound engineering years i work with very talented people, getting fame in the industry from any guys means nothing to me if it did i would of got signed ages ago n ive been offered many a time. I'll Fund my own sh*t though, with my own label and my own distribution.I never started music for business.and if you do start it for business your just exploiting it so straight up i would never respect anyone who exploited one of the things in life i have massive love for.what i personally what from the game to just do my music for who i am, rather than some prick labels tryna change who i am stop me playing on stations just because of the content which isnt watered down n about love.Anyone who says the music industries open minded really knows nothing.It took immortal technique years to get heard + years of rejections of million dollar contracts from the likes of Def Jam who just wanted to change his image.

[SHAOLIN_SINZ]

didnt think a club in essex would pay that well

are you kidding?Talks owned by a organised criminal.Clubs are the biggest earners on road lol.and casino's....sh*t your flying....

[McLovin' Jones]

more and more artists are now making money of the P.A circuit. The way the record industry is set up, you can have a #1 single and album in the UK and still probably only make about £10,000 in sales. Any old fart in the industry will tell you "they moneys in touring".if you have a hit single and are charging £1,000 per P.A then realistically you can do about 2-5 per night and rake in up to £5k. There are certain UK artists charging £3,000 for a 4 song P.A!for a U.S artist like Soulja Boy or Rihanna it's such easy money. They can do about 3 P.A's in a night for about £2-4k each. Easy loot.

Exactly. Ive heard artists say money is in performances.

corse it is, but bare times they dont wanna pay unless your names Rhianna and u got some deep music lawyer who does everything for you,When your self established they try mug u off 24/7 not pay u say u were doing it for the people but they keep the money for themselves.Well known thing to cats in america who were hustling to get big in the hip hop game.Music industry is absulotely one of the most fakest industries ive ever seen.What annoys me is thats theres no balance, we only get fed this watered down bullshit, most the real music doesnt even get on TV. So much good sh*t n people with talents just get air pie because there not being fake...n represent what musics really about Expressing YOURSELF using your own sound and originality.Rather than just tryna sound like someone for the fame n money which is what alot of musically involved guys are about, n then on there tunes claim there real, its just a joke..

my boy works for sony, and i use to go to the british academy of new music n use to suck so much knowledge from my tutor who worked for chesney hawks its unreal.So i assure you im talking real.If im mad, go bred universal for a deal n get your ass violently raped no loss of mine.Ask any clued up person on the industry. Who isnt overcome by the fakeness n fame.

LMAO @ moaning about the music business because their main priority is business...And please, don't try to test me on music business knowledge...

lol, why cause your signed n u know whats good?i dont care how much you claim to know. Music industries f*cked anyone claiming the majors come real are just blind n idiots to be straight.corse im gonna moan about the music business.Music shouldnt even be a business. Now it is atleast make it fair n not full of watered down bullshit so its breeds guys like you who seem to think music and business go together fine.that is the product of not a real musician.Ive experienced nuff to see how it is. From when u say im mad, i just know you'll be sitting on the shelf with man like souljah boy in years to come.if u were real about the industry you'd be agreeing with me.

Lol, why don't you exhale and put the catcher's mitt down for a minute son...At the end of the day, placing the blame solely on the majors, quite frankly is a bitch move...Radio, fans, artists, producers, DJ's etc have all contributed to the current circumstance.Now, with ANYTHING, chances are if you want big-time success, you will have to compromise. Deal with it. You want to be a purist, that's your decision. have a coke and a smile and keep it moving but do not assume that because one wants to attain success on a mainstream level, s/he is not 'real'.And WTF is THAT supposed to mean? 'Real'?You sound like one of those 38yr old 300 pound rappers who attend nights in rural areas called ''Fresh Freestyle Friday's'' and listen to nothing but MF Doom, Ras Kass & Pharcyde...

[DINKY]

shaolin what was ur old user name?do u listen to alot of immortal technique, nas coz everytime i read what u write its like im reading what i hear on there tracks

[claire-louise]

and at ministry on tuesday, i havent read the thread so dunno if its been said

[SHAOLIN_SINZ]

more and more artists are now making money of the P.A circuit. The way the record industry is set up, you can have a #1 single and album in the UK and still probably only make about £10,000 in sales. Any old fart in the industry will tell you "they moneys in touring".if you have a hit single and are charging £1,000 per P.A then realistically you can do about 2-5 per night and rake in up to £5k. There are certain UK artists charging £3,000 for a 4 song P.A!for a U.S artist like Soulja Boy or Rihanna it's such easy money. They can do about 3 P.A's in a night for about £2-4k each. Easy loot.

Exactly. Ive heard artists say money is in performances.

corse it is, but bare times they dont wanna pay unless your names Rhianna and u got some deep music lawyer who does everything for you,When your self established they try mug u off 24/7 not pay u say u were doing it for the people but they keep the money for themselves.Well known thing to cats in america who were hustling to get big in the hip hop game.Music industry is absulotely one of the most fakest industries ive ever seen.What annoys me is thats theres no balance, we only get fed this watered down bullshit, most the real music doesnt even get on TV. So much good sh*t n people with talents just get air pie because there not being fake...n represent what musics really about Expressing YOURSELF using your own sound and originality.Rather than just tryna sound like someone for the fame n money which is what alot of musically involved guys are about, n then on there tunes claim there real, its just a joke..

my boy works for sony, and i use to go to the british academy of new music n use to suck so much knowledge from my tutor who worked for chesney hawks its unreal.So i assure you im talking real.If im mad, go bred universal for a deal n get your ass violently raped no loss of mine.Ask any clued up person on the industry. Who isnt overcome by the fakeness n fame.

LMAO @ moaning about the music business because their main priority is business...And please, don't try to test me on music business knowledge...

lol, why cause your signed n u know whats good?i dont care how much you claim to know. Music industries f*cked anyone claiming the majors come real are just blind n idiots to be straight.corse im gonna moan about the music business.Music shouldnt even be a business. Now it is atleast make it fair n not full of watered down bullshit so its breeds guys like you who seem to think music and business go together fine.that is the product of not a real musician.Ive experienced nuff to see how it is. From when u say im mad, i just know you'll be sitting on the shelf with man like souljah boy in years to come.if u were real about the industry you'd be agreeing with me.

Lol, why don't you exhale and put the catcher's mitt down for a minute son...At the end of the day, placing the blame solely on the majors, quite frankly is a bitch move...Radio, fans, artists, producers, DJ's etc have all contributed to the current circumstance.Now, with ANYTHING, chances are if you want big-time success, you will have to compromise. Deal with it. You want to be a purist, that's your decision. have a coke and a smile and keep it moving but do not assume that because one wants to attain success on a mainstream level, s/he is not 'real'.And WTF is THAT supposed to mean? 'Real'?You sound like one of those 38yr old 300 pound rappers who attend nights in rural areas called ''Fresh Freestyle Friday's'' and listen to nothing but MF Doom, Ras Kass & Pharcyde...

nah im just real b, Real with Life, Real with my Music.n i hate how hip hop is now, its f*cking sh*t n all these mugs just defend the industry when its sh*t. The people who made the industry that way are the major labels. Its all linked together what the major radios play is only by the major corporations its all links n connections so that ultimately the main stream music turns out to be bullshit give or take the odd person who ends up with something decent to say for themself, dissappearing like bob marley, john lennon and tupac.No compromise is needed why? because man has a brain n ive got 2 business already.Most man just take a deal cause there to ignorant n lazy to go alone. Alouw admitting to wanting to be a hoe for a label thats slipping big time andif you dont know what Real means.....sh*t no wonder were going wrong in this discussion..Im not gonna bother explaining cause the level of intelligence for you to come out with that really just makes me wanna air u.ohand Ras Kass and MF DOOM >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>MOST Main stream rappers.

[SHAOLIN_SINZ]

shaolin what was ur old user name?do u listen to alot of immortal technique, nas coz everytime i read what u write its like im reading what i hear on there tracks

never had an old username ive only just joined.and no im not just spilling what ive heard on tunes.Them guys just know the realness n know whats good as do i.hence i call them real rappers. Cause they speak there mind.

[McLovin' Jones]

more and more artists are now making money of the P.A circuit. The way the record industry is set up, you can have a #1 single and album in the UK and still probably only make about £10,000 in sales. Any old fart in the industry will tell you "they moneys in touring".if you have a hit single and are charging £1,000 per P.A then realistically you can do about 2-5 per night and rake in up to £5k. There are certain UK artists charging £3,000 for a 4 song P.A!for a U.S artist like Soulja Boy or Rihanna it's such easy money. They can do about 3 P.A's in a night for about £2-4k each. Easy loot.

Exactly. Ive heard artists say money is in performances.

corse it is, but bare times they dont wanna pay unless your names Rhianna and u got some deep music lawyer who does everything for you,When your self established they try mug u off 24/7 not pay u say u were doing it for the people but they keep the money for themselves.Well known thing to cats in america who were hustling to get big in the hip hop game.Music industry is absulotely one of the most fakest industries ive ever seen.What annoys me is thats theres no balance, we only get fed this watered down bullshit, most the real music doesnt even get on TV. So much good sh*t n people with talents just get air pie because there not being fake...n represent what musics really about Expressing YOURSELF using your own sound and originality.Rather than just tryna sound like someone for the fame n money which is what alot of musically involved guys are about, n then on there tunes claim there real, its just a joke..

my boy works for sony, and i use to go to the british academy of new music n use to suck so much knowledge from my tutor who worked for chesney hawks its unreal.So i assure you im talking real.If im mad, go bred universal for a deal n get your ass violently raped no loss of mine.Ask any clued up person on the industry. Who isnt overcome by the fakeness n fame.

LMAO @ moaning about the music business because their main priority is business...And please, don't try to test me on music business knowledge...

lol, why cause your signed n u know whats good?i dont care how much you claim to know. Music industries f*cked anyone claiming the majors come real are just blind n idiots to be straight.corse im gonna moan about the music business.Music shouldnt even be a business. Now it is atleast make it fair n not full of watered down bullshit so its breeds guys like you who seem to think music and business go together fine.that is the product of not a real musician.Ive experienced nuff to see how it is. From when u say im mad, i just know you'll be sitting on the shelf with man like souljah boy in years to come.if u were real about the industry you'd be agreeing with me.

Lol, why don't you exhale and put the catcher's mitt down for a minute son...At the end of the day, placing the blame solely on the majors, quite frankly is a bitch move...Radio, fans, artists, producers, DJ's etc have all contributed to the current circumstance.Now, with ANYTHING, chances are if you want big-time success, you will have to compromise. Deal with it. You want to be a purist, that's your decision. have a coke and a smile and keep it moving but do not assume that because one wants to attain success on a mainstream level, s/he is not 'real'.And WTF is THAT supposed to mean? 'Real'?You sound like one of those 38yr old 300 pound rappers who attend nights in rural areas called ''Fresh Freestyle Friday's'' and listen to nothing but MF Doom, Ras Kass & Pharcyde...

nah im just real b, Real with Life, Real with my Music.n i hate how hip hop is now, its f*cking sh*t n all these mugs just defend the industry when its sh*t. The people who made the industry that way are the major labels. Its all linked together what the major radios play is only by the major corporations its all links n connections so that ultimately the main stream music turns out to be bullshit give or take the odd person who ends up with something decent to say for themself, dissappearing like bob marley, john lennon and tupac.if you dont know what Real means.....sh*t no wonder were going wrong in this discussion..Im not gonna bother explaining cause the level of intelligence for you to come out with that really just makes me wanna air u.ohand Ras Kass and MF DOOM >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>MOST Main stream rappers.

From time you use the term 'real' countless times in your argument and can't back it up, then you're taking away any credibility you have in your own argument...No-one here is 'defending' the corporate side of the industry per se but you're coming here without a balanced argument therefore people are questioning what you're saying. And it's funny you mentioned 2Pac, going on like he never compromised.

[SHAOLIN_SINZ]

more and more artists are now making money of the P.A circuit. The way the record industry is set up, you can have a #1 single and album in the UK and still probably only make about £10,000 in sales. Any old fart in the industry will tell you "they moneys in touring".if you have a hit single and are charging £1,000 per P.A then realistically you can do about 2-5 per night and rake in up to £5k. There are certain UK artists charging £3,000 for a 4 song P.A!for a U.S artist like Soulja Boy or Rihanna it's such easy money. They can do about 3 P.A's in a night for about £2-4k each. Easy loot.

Exactly. Ive heard artists say money is in performances.

corse it is, but bare times they dont wanna pay unless your names Rhianna and u got some deep music lawyer who does everything for you,When your self established they try mug u off 24/7 not pay u say u were doing it for the people but they keep the money for themselves.Well known thing to cats in america who were hustling to get big in the hip hop game.Music industry is absulotely one of the most fakest industries ive ever seen.What annoys me is thats theres no balance, we only get fed this watered down bullshit, most the real music doesnt even get on TV. So much good sh*t n people with talents just get air pie because there not being fake...n represent what musics really about Expressing YOURSELF using your own sound and originality.Rather than just tryna sound like someone for the fame n money which is what alot of musically involved guys are about, n then on there tunes claim there real, its just a joke..

my boy works for sony, and i use to go to the british academy of new music n use to suck so much knowledge from my tutor who worked for chesney hawks its unreal.So i assure you im talking real.If im mad, go bred universal for a deal n get your ass violently raped no loss of mine.Ask any clued up person on the industry. Who isnt overcome by the fakeness n fame.

LMAO @ moaning about the music business because their main priority is business...And please, don't try to test me on music business knowledge...

lol, why cause your signed n u know whats good?i dont care how much you claim to know. Music industries f*cked anyone claiming the majors come real are just blind n idiots to be straight.corse im gonna moan about the music business.Music shouldnt even be a business. Now it is atleast make it fair n not full of watered down bullshit so its breeds guys like you who seem to think music and business go together fine.that is the product of not a real musician.Ive experienced nuff to see how it is. From when u say im mad, i just know you'll be sitting on the shelf with man like souljah boy in years to come.if u were real about the industry you'd be agreeing with me.

Lol, why don't you exhale and put the catcher's mitt down for a minute son...At the end of the day, placing the blame solely on the majors, quite frankly is a bitch move...Radio, fans, artists, producers, DJ's etc have all contributed to the current circumstance.Now, with ANYTHING, chances are if you want big-time success, you will have to compromise. Deal with it. You want to be a purist, that's your decision. have a coke and a smile and keep it moving but do not assume that because one wants to attain success on a mainstream level, s/he is not 'real'.And WTF is THAT supposed to mean? 'Real'?You sound like one of those 38yr old 300 pound rappers who attend nights in rural areas called ''Fresh Freestyle Friday's'' and listen to nothing but MF Doom, Ras Kass & Pharcyde...

nah im just real b, Real with Life, Real with my Music.n i hate how hip hop is now, its f*cking sh*t n all these mugs just defend the industry when its sh*t. The people who made the industry that way are the major labels. Its all linked together what the major radios play is only by the major corporations its all links n connections so that ultimately the main stream music turns out to be bullshit give or take the odd person who ends up with something decent to say for themself, dissappearing like bob marley, john lennon and tupac.if you dont know what Real means.....sh*t no wonder were going wrong in this discussion..Im not gonna bother explaining cause the level of intelligence for you to come out with that really just makes me wanna air u.ohand Ras Kass and MF DOOM >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>MOST Main stream rappers.

From time you use the term 'real' countless times in your argument and can't back it up, then you're taking away any credibility you have in your own argument...No-one here is 'defending' the corporate side of the industry per se but you're coming here without a balanced argument therefore people are questioning what you're saying. And it's funny you mentioned 2Pac, going on like he never compromised.

lol a guy who doesnt know what real means to me can jam straight up.Ive nothing to say to you if u dont even know from your own mind what real means. I dont need to explain myself real recognise real out here n im recognised as real by many so its nothing.I dont balance my arguement cause im against corporations and labels.I know bare guys who are much higher in the industry than any guy on this topic who say exactly the same thing. Like i said logistics of how it all works ive just broken it down.how do u know tupac wasnt intelligent n compromised so he could go world wide with his message with tunes like Changes n so then his older albums like the killuminati one would be heard cause once people would feel him they would check out his older music.alouw trying to make out tupac was anything like a 50 cent bitch.Thats how i know your slipping with your knowledge on the industry and pac. Straight revolutionary who thought intellectually.immortal techniques at the same position he was years ago but is just going about it in a even realer way.which is why hes got so many fans of a real nature cause people feel the fact its real music, with real emotion and real ideologies.

[McLovin' Jones]

Is there any point continuing?SMH...

[SCRAPS]

I beg someone ban this Shaolin sinz guy.Exactly the type of wasteman we need LESS of on here.

[shaian]

rah

[McLovin' Jones]

rah

How you gonna leave the people hanging like that, homie?Lol, speak on it...

[Mr Q]

Angry grime artist?

[McLovin' Jones]

Angry grime artist?

Like I said innit...

[SHAOLIN_SINZ]

I beg someone ban this Shaolin sinz guy.Exactly the type of wasteman we need LESS of on here.

go suck some conservative d*ck you truth hiding slag.

[SHAOLIN_SINZ]

Angry grime artist?

Like I said innit...

its funny how most the time i find out the guys hating on me, have really weak music. >>>>>>

[SCRAPS]

I beg someone ban this Shaolin sinz guy.Exactly the type of wasteman we need LESS of on here.

go suck some conservative d*ck you truth hiding slag.

[McLovin' Jones]

Angry grime artist?

Like I said innit...

its funny how most the time i find out the guys hating on me, have really weak music. >>>>>>

Yeah I know, hee-lay-ree-us...Especially when you consider I don't make music.

[SHAOLIN_SINZ]

I beg someone ban this Shaolin sinz guy.Exactly the type of wasteman we need LESS of on here.

go suck some conservative d*ck you truth hiding slag.

tryna ban the truth? look into the music industry u dumb fool.bout shutting up man who talks truth, fools like you would become reporters on the news all day long.Spewing sh*t into peoples minds acting like you got a right to tell me what i can n cant say.

[SHAOLIN_SINZ]

Angry grime artist?

Like I said innit...

its funny how most the time i find out the guys hating on me, have really weak music. >>>>>>

Yeah I know, hee-lay-ree-us...Especially when you consider I don't make music.

lol psh, get the f*ck outta hear then.i could tell u had no knowledge on the industry from the start.

[Mr Q]

Angry grime artist?

Like I said innit...

its funny how most the time i find out the guys hating on me, have really weak music. >>>>>>

Yeah I know, hee-lay-ree-us...Especially when you consider I don't make music.

To be honest you just sound like bitch.if your music was that strong you would be heard.drop some of your tracks.

[McLovin' Jones]

Angry grime artist?

Like I said innit...

its funny how most the time i find out the guys hating on me, have really weak music. >>>>>>

Yeah I know, hee-lay-ree-us...Especially when you consider I don't make music.

lol psh, get the f*ck outta hear then.i could tell u had no knowledge on the industry from the start.

LMAO...Ok, Canibus.

[SCRAPS]

I beg someone ban this Shaolin sinz guy.Exactly the type of wasteman we need LESS of on here.

go suck some conservative d*ck you truth hiding slag.

tryna ban the truth? look into the music industry u dumb fool.bout shutting up man who talks truth, fools like you would become reporters on the news all day long.Spewing sh*t into peoples minds acting like you got a right to tell me what i can n cant say.

Bruv, you're a walking internet cliché.

[SHAOLIN_SINZ]

the fact u dont even make music, u should of said from the start.lol @ earlier saying you cant educate me on the music industry.bare dumb ones out here.