The Official Manchester United Thread

[Guest M12]

Simmo and fryers are completely different people.

[The King]

Yes but Fryers isnt going to make it at Utd. He is getting a few first team opportunities before being loaned out next season with a transfer being completed maybe in a years time.

[FANTA]

lol @ us

[Benicio del Toney]

Yes but Fryers isnt going to make it at Utd. He is getting a few first team opportunities before being loaned out next season with a transfer being completed maybe in a years time.

Real Talk.

As I said before I would advise anyone not to sign for or extend with us right now.

SAF is too rigid in his team selection and he ain't giving youth no real chance.

I wouldn't sign if I was Pogba, not until I got another 3/4 games under my belt, as soon as he signs he will be back in the same frustrated position.

He gotta use this to bargain with.

[Seydou]

Wow. Your youths dont respect you enough.

Should be enough they coming through a huge club like United.

[JOHN DOE]

Should be enough they coming through a huge club like United.

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

but money talks

[Mame Biram Diouf]

Would you get paid less then you deserved? Especially when other people your age with your potential are getting more etc?

Reckon he will sign, but then again he knows he is back up Evra, then Fabio is in line after that, so maybe he will also leave for first team opps.

Hope Tunnicliffe, Petrucci, 2 Keanes are all signed up to long term deals.

[Kompressor]

The "money these players deserve" and the going rate are two different things,

Wasn't Hernandez on something Like 40k a week when he signed, then after his performances last season got a pay rise.

Just out of interest how much would you say Fryers "deserves"

Reading the last page wad interesting, as you started it off by criticising people for getting on Morrison's back, you said "I wonder how many of these people base their opinions on fact and not just hearsay"

Then you went on a comical period of "raging" ironically without knowing the facts of the situation, by your own admission until you know all the facts you should keep it buttoned,

Or just be pissed that Morrison has gone, but not over the reasons he has gone, as none of us know the entire facts of the situation, and are all just going of hearsay an speculation.

[Guest M12]

Zeki should be on 5-10k. With a deal rewarding him up to 15 in a year or two depending on how involved he is with the 1st team.

[Heero Yuy]

Wow. Your youths dont respect you enough.

Should be enough they coming through a huge club like United.

Being a footballer is still a job/Career and these guys have to think about what's best for them. When your not playing and seeing your opportunities limited, the fact that your at United is probably the last thing on your mind.

I know footballers live a very nice life for the most part but you have to remember most of these man where plucked from early meaning the only thing they can ever fall back on is football. I know guys who got scouted, played for West Brom and Wolves and now they're playing in league 2 and 3 clubs. Although they are earning a wage through doing something they love they aren't actually earning THAT much. Man like Pogba and Morrison probably thought am I going to take a chance with United, not make it, and in a few years be forgotten about and end up moving to a sh*t club, sh*t league, sh*t wage.

[WhiteTT]

Morri is gone, now lets focus on bigger things..

[Benicio del Toney]

Man like Pogba and Morrison probably thought am I going to take a chance with United, not make it, and in a few years be forgotten about and end up moving to a sh*t club, sh*t league, sh*t wage.

& ykno this is being said daily in their ear by their agent.

[Mame Biram Diouf]

The "money these players deserve" and the going rate are two different things,

Wasn't Hernandez on something Like 40k a week when he signed, then after his performances last season got a pay rise.

Just out of interest how much would you say Fryers "deserves"

Reading the last page wad interesting, as you started it off by criticising people for getting on Morrison's back, you said "I wonder how many of these people base their opinions on fact and not just hearsay"

Then you went on a comical period of "raging" ironically without knowing the facts of the situation, by your own admission until you know all the facts you should keep it buttoned,

Or just be pissed that Morrison has gone, but not over the reasons he has gone, as none of us know the entire facts of the situation, and are all just going of hearsay an speculation.

Im talking contextual so I am not sure what you are getting at.

I am talking in context of him being offered 1.5k a week, I am not saying that is 100% true, but if is true then it is an utter pisstake.

For a 19 year old 3rd choice English left back playing for Man Utd I would agree with M12s 5-10k a week

You been on your period this week mate? None stop moaning

[Benicio del Toney]

Ritchie De Laet is ahead of him I'd say.

[Kompressor]

The "money these players deserve" and the going rate are two different things,

Wasn't Hernandez on something Like 40k a week when he signed, then after his performances last season got a pay rise.

Just out of interest how much would you say Fryers "deserves"

Reading the last page wad interesting, as you started it off by criticising people for getting on Morrison's back, you said "I wonder how many of these people base their opinions on fact and not just hearsay"

Then you went on a comical period of "raging" ironically without knowing the facts of the situation, by your own admission until you know all the facts you should keep it buttoned,

Or just be pissed that Morrison has gone, but not over the reasons he has gone, as none of us know the entire facts of the situation, and are all just going of hearsay an speculation.

Im talking contextual so I am not sure what you are getting at.

I am talking in context of him being offered 1.5k a week, I am not saying that is 100% true, but if is true then it is an utter pisstake.

For a 19 year old 3rd choice English left back playing for Man Utd I would agree with M12s 5-10k a week

You been on your period this week mate? None stop moaning

mate i think if you look back on the weeks comments you'll see that i haven't done any moaning especially compared to yourself, pick out my "Moaning" comments from the week.

(well apart from a slight moan about your moaning) but ok, i've been warned many times about the dangers or arguing with stupid people so i should no better, my mistakes)

Today, does anyone thing Fryers WILL be around in 3 years time challenging for the 1st team spot?

not could he, but WILL.

I dont think i'm alone in saying that out of our reserves, he doesn't really stand out as being the standout defender from the crop, so i see where people are coming from when they are saying 5-10k but in reality if we give him say 8.5k a week,

what should the likes of Pogba Will Keane and Tunnicliffe be getting when their time comes, this is a slippery slope,

if he has been offered 1.5 k a week however, that'd be a great pisstake, however i'd gaurentee there are certain add ons, and bonuses based on his level of involvement and development and that is what is key in these deals young players sign.

i find it interesting that people were miffed when Rooney was given his deal in regards to the wages, and saw it as a slippery slope, but instead of saying, "ohh this needs to sop and level itself out somewhere along the line, and the easiest place to start is at the bottom here"

people are championing this kid with a couple of first team appearences to be on 10 thousand pounds a week, before even really proving whether his worth that.

if Fryers signs for 10 k a week now in 3 years time if he develops how we all would like, an becomes a excellent understudy who we have no qualms about stepping in when needed, then we could see a steep rise, then 3 years after he 's undisputed first choice that we could have a problem, especially if this same thing happens with 3 or 4 young players, this is why the club drags their heals on these things.

(just adding a balance to the arguement)

[Mame Biram Diouf]

Before I comment any further

Anyone know Darius Veselis wage?

[Kompressor]

and yes, i know people will say that the wages outlined represent what is relative to United's top earners, and that United top earners are somewhat relative to what the Chelsea and City top earners are on,

but i'm saying all that is shite, coz those wages are not sustainable in the long term,

[Guest M12]

Kompressor you are looking at this from a fans pov. The acceleration fergie has given fryers suggests that fergie believes he is and will become a squad player. Id that's the case he needs to pay him like one. If he woulda been left in reserves, I'm sure he woulda taken 1.5k and been happy just to be at united. But from time he's been groomed as the future like this. He should be rewarded for it.

[Kompressor]

It's not even a fans POV it's just a realistic and financially viable one,

At the same stage of development what was Rooney wage,

Coz IF fryers fullfill the hopes of the management team, he will albeit probably unlikely however be warranting the same wages as Rooney in the next 10 years,

Now un the other thread it was mentioned that as far as getting money out of fans is almost at it's maximum rate, so having 5 or 6 players on "Rooney money" isn't possible, unless those wages are being paid by Arab money,

I understand fully why people think the kid should be on 5-10, because in the delusional world of footballing finances that would be normal,

However in the last decade or so, football has gone down a crazy route where if it's not curtailed soon, could be disastrous,

Having a 19 year old with less than a handful of first team run outs on 10k a week, is football mad, as when he's 24 he'll need a renewal, if by then his 2nd choice he'll get what, 40-60 depending on his quality, at 27/28 he could go up to 80-to Ashley Young money, however if he goes onto being England regular and United first choice it could be more, especially if the teams around us are paying 200k plus for similar players,

With the finances of the club being what they are, scrimping in certain places is needed, as ticket increases aren't as possible an viable as they once were, so cuts have to be made elsewhere,

If City and Chelsea more to the point didn't distort the wage Market over here like they did, then players wages would still be set paced by United and Arsenal, and dare I say it, things would be a whole lot more realistic, and the rates of inflation wouldn't be as aggresive.

(whether this is the case with Fryers or not, I dunno)

Another key thing could be if Micheal Keane keeps developing and says ohh I'm better than Fryers, when my contract talk comes up I want more than he got, it spell problems, let's not even talk about the positions that historically demand higher wages,

Paying young unproven players big wages means paying proven players in their mid 20's even more, then when they begin to reach their peaks........ You get the point,

Unless sponsorships keep rising, Ticket prices keep rising and success is maintained, it isn't feasible at all.

Also bare in mind in the last decade or so Football has experienced boom times, this will not last forever, it can't.

[nem kid]

Fryers has looked good in the couple first team games hes been in. Sometimes u dont have to be the stand out playr in the reserves, u just gta do well when given the chance. Left bk is a problem position for us tbh. Evra is deteriating but fergie wont drop him, and apart from fabio (who is always injured) we aint really got anyone. So I think he will get more games if he stays.

[Kompressor]

Of course if he signs he'll get much more games, and could forge a li g lasting career at United, and could go onto being the best LB in the country,

The question is how do clubs go about un-distorting the crazy wage structure un football,

The answer is at the bottom, as the Rooney's and Tevez's aren't gonna take pay cuts,

The cuts have to be made somewhere, and it's deemed as being safer to do this with potential stars rather than certified ones,

[Mame Biram Diouf]

Manchester United starlet Ezekiel Fryers has taken to Twitter to deny that he has rejected a new contract.

DEJA VU?

[Horatio Caine]

loool Zieki wont go anywher

[Mame Biram Diouf]

A Manchester United fan has been charged for shouting racist abuse at opposition players during a Premier League football match.

Howard Hobson, 57, is accused of a racially aggravated public order offence and using threatening words or behaviour to cause harassment, alarm or distress.

Hobson, of Weaver Walk, Openshaw, Manchester, was arrested at theManchester United v Stoke City game on Tuesday.

During the match a spectator made a complaint to stewards that a fan in the north stand was shouting abusive comments towards Stoke City players. Police were informed and Hobson was arrested.

He is due to appear at Trafford magistrates court on Wednesday.

Was turned in by a fellow fan

[Benicio del Toney]

Lol

Zero tolerance crackdown.

When will these fans realise they are going court in the morning?