When are you lil fuckers gonna stop killing each other?

[Guest Tulse Hill]

All this gun crime is influenced from culture abroad so the goverment are to blame for letting in all these immigrants in

[Uncle Larry]

All this gun crime is influenced from culture abroad so the goverment are to blame for letting in all these immigrants in

Thats an easy cop out though isnt it.We as british people need to hold some of the balme, if not most.Morels, Values, & A Good Strong Family background is done to us, not the goverment or any imergrants entering the uk fro a better life.The majority of young people who have had stable homes where both parents are on this 'not my child, gonna grow up to do this road ting mentality' have done well and taught their child the ways of working hard for what you have legally.Thats where it starts surely?

[Uncle Larry]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/7489039.stmAnother one bites the dust.

[Guest Tulse Hill]

Yeah but I see alot of people use plenty of excuses like " oh its the goverment, its the white man give us nothing , im in deep and cant get out " for a reason to continue with the gun/knife crime because its exciting, it makes them feel big and important.I know f*ck loads of people who have come from a sh*t background but have got of there arse and got good jobs and education, oh yeah and they were living in the so called hot spot of gun crime in london and oh yeah they made something of there lives.

[Uncle Larry]

Who ever is working on the panels and looking at the solution needs to be from road level at some point in the last 10-20 years, or they are never going to get it right in trying to find a realistic solution.. The panel at present has soem old skool gangsters from the 60s-70's and loads of policy makers who know f*ck all about the real streets etc...

[Guest Tulse Hill]

Who ever is working on the panels and looking at the solution needs to be from road level at some point in the last 10-20 years, or they are never going to get it right in trying to find a realistic solution.. The panel at present has soem old skool gangsters from the 60s-70's and loads of policy makers who know f*ck all about the real streets etc...

Yeah suppose.

[Numero001]

@ Numero and Titan. Yea, I take you lots points, and perhaps I am looking at it through the eyes of a 22 year old who grew up in slightly different time then these children are and perhaps from a more secure background. But I still dont think that these young people are so obsessed with money, and are prepared to do anything for it, MERELY to get spuds in the playground. Theres more to it. Although maybe im just seeing it wrong, and to actually be popular or get credit you need to be dripping with gold or have pockets of drug money. Highly doubt it though

for real i think people are missing the point i'd say it was more down to pier preasure and being scared of looking weakthe typical answer most guys give for carrying a knife is "protection" from who? "other kids who carry knives" one of them shook d*ckhead cycles tbhwhen your young you just wana be cool and accepted...this is the reality of todays kids feeling cool and accepted.

We're not talking about why the carry knives, its why they desire money

@ Numero and Titan. Yea, I take you lots points, and perhaps I am looking at it through the eyes of a 22 year old who grew up in slightly different time then these children are and perhaps from a more secure background. But I still dont think that these young people are so obsessed with money, and are prepared to do anything for it, MERELY to get spuds in the playground. Theres more to it. Although maybe im just seeing it wrong, and to actually be popular or get credit you need to be dripping with gold or have pockets of drug money. Highly doubt it though

It's not a case of them desiring money for the sake of it. Peer pressure like someone says makes it desirable. Again, peer pressure shapes alot of people's images, and image is the foundation of someone's perception. Problem is the peer pressure has too much power over the image a youth may try and attain.

Basically. Theyre in the working class spin-off of keeping up with the Jones'. Its nuff insecure yutes that look for external props to feel better about themselves. Empty barrel make the most noise, so its just bare yutes tryna be the big man 'cause inside theyre hollow.Most teens are insecure, its just a shame these ones have to resort to crime 'cause they cant ask daddy for money.

[Shawn_Carter]

if u want a sociological view on why black kids are obsessed with money:some sociologists said that black children from poor districts such as harlem watch on average twice as much television as their white peers so by the time they're about 11 they have become fully endorsed into a culture of materialism and longing for designer labels, but because they are denied access to educational success they cant achieve the material success they have been programmed into believeing in through mainstream routes (college, uni, good job) so they turn to crime to achieve these goalsalso rappers dont help imo, listening to 50 cent or biggie or any successful rapper constantly boasting about how much money they make at the same time as they endorse crime will definitely change the way some kids think

[Em Dott]

Big up the Strain Theory tuggs. Get me, they're on this Innovative route ting.PS: B grade A-Level Sociology student 2005.

[Numero001]

if u want a sociological view on why black kids are obsessed with money:some sociologists said that black children from poor districts such as harlem watch on average twice as much television as their white peers so by the time they're about 11 they have become fully endorsed into a culture of materialism and longing for designer labels, but because they are denied access to educational success they cant achieve the material success they have been programmed into believeing in through mainstream routes (college, uni, good job) so they turn to crime to achieve these goalsalso rappers dont help imo, listening to 50 cent or biggie or any successful rapper constantly boasting about how much money they make at the same time as they endorse crime will definitely change the way some kids think

Disagree personally

[Shawn_Carter]

Big up the Strain Theory tuggs. Get me, they're on this Innovative route ting.PS: B grade A-Level Sociology student 2005.

lmao done know

some sociologists said that black children from poor districts such as harlem watch on average twice as much television as their white peers so by the time they're about 11 they have become fully endorsed into a culture of materialism and longing for designer labels, but because they are denied access to educational success they cant achieve the material success they have been programmed into believeing in through mainstream routes (college, uni, good job) so they turn to crime to achieve these goals

Disagree personally

their just theoriesbut the thing about tv was true, they actually did surveys on a lot of households , the time they watched tv, the adverts and programs they would of seen etc.

[Numero001]

Big up the Strain Theory tuggs. Get me, they're on this Innovative route ting.PS: B grade A-Level Sociology student 2005.

lmao done know

some sociologists said that black children from poor districts such as harlem watch on average twice as much television as their white peers so by the time they're about 11 they have become fully endorsed into a culture of materialism and longing for designer labels, but because they are denied access to educational success they cant achieve the material success they have been programmed into believeing in through mainstream routes (college, uni, good job) so they turn to crime to achieve these goals

Disagree personally

their just theoriesbut the thing about tv was true, they actually did surveys on a lot of households , the time they watched tv, the adverts and programs they would of seen etc.

I hear that, but I just think there is more to it than just TV and not having access to education. Well over here anyway.And yes I know the study was on America, just saying

[Shawn_Carter]

yh obviously theres more reasons than thattheres books upon books of theories about the reasons for crimesome ppl say that certain communities just have a culture that promotes criminal bahaviour, so kids grow up to be criminalsor ppl who lack social standing and are in dead end jobs etc so they cant gain status through legitimate work, so crime becomes a source of status for some ppl and ppl can gain respect from peers by committing crimeor that some communities have a well structured criminal network which kids can choose to join or notor that poverty is the only reason for crimeor that crime is an expressin of frustration against a capitalist system of oppressionthere all true to some extent and there all bullshit to some extent

[Guest Robin_Van_PersG]

Personally how I would deal with this whole situation. I would go on a campaign blitz saying that you have until Jan 1st 2009 to hand in your weapons after that zero tolerance. If you are caught with a knife 25 years in jail. If you are caught with a gun you get 50 years straight no chance of coming out etc from the age of 12 upwards this law will apply to.It may sound harsh but that’s what zero tolerance is u can not pussyfoot around these things. Coz the guys doing the killings they can not really be helped sorry but its true. From when you are carrying a weapon u are prepared to use it only time I have done that was in beef. But u have people carrying for the hell of itAfter the amnesty is done from Jan 09 till march 09 I would get police up and down the country just to be on lock down with the stop and searches to get the message through if u carry a weapon u r gone for good so enough people who ignored the warning will go down for life sorry but those who don’t hear must feel.I would then legalize cannabis have shooting up clinics for heroin users and crack smokers so the thing is not kicked into a corner it is tackled.I will open up youth clubs everywhere and carry out events with people where the youth have to work in teams with other random youth in order to succeed because when u have nothing to do u get bored and then u can get caught up in all kind of madnessFor those aged 16 to 24 not working in education or training they will be sent to do natinal service teach them some dicipline so u will go away for 4 months train come back if u are not doing ne training education or working within 6 weeks of ur return u go back and learn some more

Nice idea BUT everything costs money and that is the governments main concern. You know the jails are full right? so firstly it would cost £"£" to build new jails and secondly they can't be giving 25 years for holding a knife WHY? because apparently it costs 20k+ a year to keep someone in jail 20kX25 is TOO MUCH MONEY.Mentalities need to change and there nothing to suggest a youth club will deter youth crime YES it might give something to do for a couple of hours BUT the badmind mentalities will still exist when they come out of youth club.To eradicate the problem you need 2 parent families which ain't going to happen, a fair education system which is impossible+teachers getting the power to Kane back, tough sentancing - which as i explained won't happen. You see the theme? DISCIPLINE.

[RaiKkoNen]

f*ck*ng ghetto bangers.Living in the midlands>>>living in london council estates/slums.Man's don't even know if they'll be coming home that night...chances of getting knifed on your way to mcdonalds around 23%.

[kurious]

its a jungle survival of the fittest only the strong survive thats wat i heard

[The Somalian]

Yeah I am pretty sure if you enforce labour on the prisoners themselfs they will pretty much pay for themselfs we could build more jails at a fraction of the price they use to build bombs to kill little children in iraq and afghanistanyes 25 years for holding a knife no ifs and buts if u r holding one u r prepared to use and for that u are prepared to take someones life if u are prepared to take a life of another u give up rights to your own life tbhand if they were to do this when carnival comes around I want to see feds stopping all the groups of boys ne 1 holding a weapn goes jail same with the nightclubs police to have a strong pressence anyone holding ne weapon trying to get in the club will get 25 yearsbelive me when people see how hard feds are on this and it aint no ramping ting and once u r caught u aint coming on road unless ur in a wooden box or an old man so u will basically miss out on lifewhen this happens u will see gun and knife crime have a massive fallcoz bare heads will be just to shoock to be holding coz now nuff mans are walking around with shanks and guns like they are part of tehir clothing that mentality has to change (i know glasgow by its self had over 3000 incidents with knifes so to send all them people to jail would cost shitloads but it has to be done)I want u to think how much better the quality of life would be like after going to a club not worried about someone spraying up the place etc the vibe wont be so tense etc man chats sh*t about how he is gonna shank u call fed that person if they really r holding goes away for 25 years (no snitch)it has to be done but it wont happen

[That's That Kid]

LOL @ Mad Vybez' policies.

[The Somalian]

who in their right mind do u know will bother carry a knife or a gun if u was to get a 25 year sentace for a knife and 50 for a gun?zero tolerence is how u deal with the matter and if the prisons start to fill up we start to kill prisoners in jail for murder and we start to kill nonces and rapist who are on them indefinate sentaceses because they are not safe to released at allif u want gun and knife crime cut down thats what u have to doyes i would put a 13 year old in jail for 15 years i dont give a f*ck about human rights u dont want ur kid going jail search the little rass b4 he leaves ur yard or he will go jail for life

[Em Dott]

f*ck*ng ghetto bangers.Living in the midlands>>>living in london council estates/slums.Man's don't even know if they'll be coming home that night...chances of getting knifed on your way to mcdonalds around 23%.

Don't believe the media hype.I would be more cautious walking around Birmingham and Nottingham because where London and the Midlands cities I just mentioned both have complete wastemen, London man have more logic. Any London that has been to either of those cities will testify to that. ANd I'm talking more so about Brum man. Their mindstates are beyond stupid. Them man would do anything just for the simple fact it crossed their mind.

[Agony]

LOL @ Mad Vybez' policies.

[Rothschild]

God help them when I get elected..

[Guest Robin_Van_PersG]

f*ck*ng ghetto bangers.Living in the midlands>>>living in london council estates/slums.Man's don't even know if they'll be coming home that night...chances of getting knifed on your way to mcdonalds around 23%.

Don't believe the media hype.I would be more cautious walking around Birmingham and Nottingham because where London and the Midlands cities I just mentioned both have complete wastemen, London man have more logic. Any London that has been to either of those cities will testify to that. ANd I'm talking more so about Brum man. Their mindstates are beyond stupid. Them man would do anything just for the simple fact it crossed their mind.

Big C/S. London may look rougher and have the media hype but the mentality of some of them brummie brehdahs = and its not even just the youts sometimes its the mandem older than me. Nottinghams calmed down a lot tbh.

[Guest28]

its all ABOUT THE MONEY IMOMONEY MONEY MONEY WATCH WHEN MANDEM ON ROAD ARE BROKE RUN UP SEASON

[Trane]

its all ABOUT THE MONEY IMOMONEY MONEY MONEY WATCH WHEN MANDEM ON ROAD ARE BROKE RUN UP SEASON

Basically what I was saying. Even for 13 year olds.