Is True??

[Guest WAVE MACHINE]

Argument has been done to death.As someone who loved UKG, grime and bassline I feel I know what I'm talking about.My boys were going Niche for years before i got into it and many of the comments you lot make are more or less exactly what I was saying before I started to take it in properly and went to the raves. Any of you ever come up north feel free to let me know and I'm pretty sure I can take youy to a night to change your opinion.I listen to music that I feel, I aint one of these d*ckheads who listens to a type of music because i feel it aligns me with a certain type of people or because I feel it shows how articulate I am which is mainly the problem I have with followers of music like dubstep. how can I be chatting to a guy who said he had moved on to more intelligent forms of grime (meaning dubstep), or someone telling me dubstep is beter music than bassline because you can meditate to it?Some pretentious bullshit.Thinking about music too much is some dumb sh*t, I listen to music that hits me in the gut which is why I liked UKG, why I liked grime and why i like bassline.

i agree that ppl who are just listening to follow the crowd/identify with a group are just waste....but to be honest i can see MORE ppl like that into bassline then people like that on dubstep or even grime. from time every yout and his dog have bassline blazing out der whip, and a lot of ppl jumpin on this "you wot you wot" hype all of a sudden....as for the bit in red...u can meditate to dubstep tho, this aint one of dem false hype statements or things ppl exagerate, its one of dem actual experiences in a rave. im nt really gonna go into all that side of it cos it kind of diverges from ere...but i can only imagine a very small minority just hyping those kind of words without experiencing it. with raving generally, people sumtimes speak of the experience being religious, and suprisingly dubstep kind of touches on dat ground with certain raves. obviously ders certain genres that focus on that kind of experience more so with their raves and sound, but dubstep kind of does it without u expecting it (cos of the massive differences between all the styles). it doesnt come across like that, but the sublow bass frequencies on a weighty rig go deep...

In a way I like how valiantly you defend dubstep, you remind me of how I was when grime was just a dirty raw underground scene - naive. I thought that Grime would be like that forever but the mainstream has a way of absorbing the latest underground scene and very few scenes are the same afterwards. Of course their are people following the hype of bassline. But give it a year and I guarantee that you'll notice a similar affect within the dubstep scene, thats just how underground music works. I'm glad I got involved in grime when I did because i got the real experience of it when mans didn't give a f*ck about anything but making a tune that was gonna f*ck up a dance and I'm glad that i got into bassline when I did for the same reason. enjoy the dubstep scene for what it is now cos as pessimistic as it sounds your probably experiencing the best times right now.

i c/s and anti c/s this post.lol

[Snoop]

lol spiderman coming with some more sh*t when he gets duppied on the bassline subject every topic by flo and colin:lol:

the majority of opinions ere agree that bassline is just sh*t music

Where are the majority of these opinions from though.?

[Badman]

lets not start thisD&B >>>>> baselinegoodnight

[Lurch]

f*ck the whole is Bassline hated cos it's from up North discussion.What always gets me is why is anything slightly North of London and you become a 'NORTHERNER'?Newcastle, Sunderland, Manchester, Liverpool, Sheffield, Leeds, Scotland etc. is up North. Birmingham, Cov, Wolves, Notts, Derby, Leicester etc. is Midlands. London is down South or 'City' as we know it.That's the way I have always seen it.

[spiderman]

Argument has been done to death.As someone who loved UKG, grime and bassline I feel I know what I'm talking about.My boys were going Niche for years before i got into it and many of the comments you lot make are more or less exactly what I was saying before I started to take it in properly and went to the raves. Any of you ever come up north feel free to let me know and I'm pretty sure I can take youy to a night to change your opinion.I listen to music that I feel, I aint one of these d*ckheads who listens to a type of music because i feel it aligns me with a certain type of people or because I feel it shows how articulate I am which is mainly the problem I have with followers of music like dubstep. how can I be chatting to a guy who said he had moved on to more intelligent forms of grime (meaning dubstep), or someone telling me dubstep is beter music than bassline because you can meditate to it?Some pretentious bullshit.Thinking about music too much is some dumb sh*t, I listen to music that hits me in the gut which is why I liked UKG, why I liked grime and why i like bassline.

i agree that ppl who are just listening to follow the crowd/identify with a group are just waste....but to be honest i can see MORE ppl like that into bassline then people like that on dubstep or even grime. from time every yout and his dog have bassline blazing out der whip, and a lot of ppl jumpin on this "you wot you wot" hype all of a sudden....as for the bit in red...u can meditate to dubstep tho, this aint one of dem false hype statements or things ppl exagerate, its one of dem actual experiences in a rave. im nt really gonna go into all that side of it cos it kind of diverges from ere...but i can only imagine a very small minority just hyping those kind of words without experiencing it. with raving generally, people sumtimes speak of the experience being religious, and suprisingly dubstep kind of touches on dat ground with certain raves. obviously ders certain genres that focus on that kind of experience more so with their raves and sound, but dubstep kind of does it without u expecting it (cos of the massive differences between all the styles). it doesnt come across like that, but the sublow bass frequencies on a weighty rig go deep...

In a way I like how valiantly you defend dubstep, you remind me of how I was when grime was just a dirty raw underground scene - naive. I thought that Grime would be like that forever but the mainstream has a way of absorbing the latest underground scene and very few scenes are the same afterwards. Of course their are people following the hype of bassline. But give it a year and I guarantee that you'll notice a similar affect within the dubstep scene, thats just how underground music works. I'm glad I got involved in grime when I did because i got the real experience of it when mans didn't give a f*ck about anything but making a tune that was gonna f*ck up a dance and I'm glad that i got into bassline when I did for the same reason. enjoy the dubstep scene for what it is now cos as pessimistic as it sounds your probably experiencing the best times right now.

ye even if it went totally commersh now, id still be very very happy that i got the most out of the underground and all the memories it left me...lol @ naive tho. i was listening to grime before it was grime, and even tho it had shades of the kind of "growth" feeling dubstep provides me now, it went down a TOTALLY different route, and u saw the death coming tbh...lol @ basing underground genres with the template of grime, just cos it f*cked up doesnt mean all the new scenes will go down that same route...the mainstream doesnt always "absorb underground scenes", its a very natural reaction. if it works it works, a scene could have 1 or many commercial successes, its all subjective and dependant on the situation...house and garage were pretty much changed by their mainstream attention over time, but look at DnB and Hardcore, those scenes had bits of commercial success but the underground stayed healthy and true to its nature, it never died or changed, mainly because collectively everyone still had the right focus...wen grime fizzled out it was because the commercial success of a few artists distracted everyone, and everyone aimed for that rather then growing what was theirs. too much focus on commercialism and it wasnt even natural, its was BREDDIN commercial success and the forced response wasnt enough to hold up the genre like how hip hop has, so it just killed the scene from what it once was...to be honest if dubstep was gonna get attacked by the mainstream and fizzle out it, the effects would of been more prominant by now, cos its been in the spotlight for quite some time and its still relatively untouched by the mainstream. night did very very well, but nobody is focused of making tracks to get that kind of reaction. or pushin in that kind of direction, if it happens it happens. everyone is just tryna make good music for themselves firstly. also the genre has been sed from early to be more likely than anything to end up like DnB and set to go down that same kind of route, which would be pretty good if it did that at least.in short, im not ignoring that things could turn sour and theres always a chance of it happening, nothing is set in stone for the future of the music, but all im saying is that the general attitude from those responsible is not hinting at that kind of direction, nor is the response from the general public.

[spiderman]

people are saying that the "vibes" of bassline raves are wot make it sick....i can appreciate the vibes of a rave being a deep impacting aspect, its one of the main things about music for me...but it doesnt seem to be nothing new with bassline really, cos ders plenty of rave scenes which offer that same kind of hype "vibe" but at the same time at least the music is good lol.in terms of pure constant energy, DnB rave "vibes" pretty much match any needs for a hype vibe..theres plenty of different kind of vibes u can get from genres of music at raves and some can be substitutes to others, but in comparing this specific kind of "hype" vibe that makes u constantly skank, i reckon DnB has been the matching that for a long time very nicely....so even if bassline offers the same thing, its nuffin new. ive never been to a proper bassline rave to properly compare but ive been to DnB one and i cant imagine the hype at a bassline night to be better than one with drop after drop after drop @ 180bpm with 90% of the crowd moving on double time going nuts cos der on E lol.

[Flojo]

Argument has been done to death.As someone who loved UKG, grime and bassline I feel I know what I'm talking about.My boys were going Niche for years before i got into it and many of the comments you lot make are more or less exactly what I was saying before I started to take it in properly and went to the raves. Any of you ever come up north feel free to let me know and I'm pretty sure I can take youy to a night to change your opinion.I listen to music that I feel, I aint one of these d*ckheads who listens to a type of music because i feel it aligns me with a certain type of people or because I feel it shows how articulate I am which is mainly the problem I have with followers of music like dubstep. how can I be chatting to a guy who said he had moved on to more intelligent forms of grime (meaning dubstep), or someone telling me dubstep is beter music than bassline because you can meditate to it?Some pretentious bullshit.Thinking about music too much is some dumb sh*t, I listen to music that hits me in the gut which is why I liked UKG, why I liked grime and why i like bassline.

i agree that ppl who are just listening to follow the crowd/identify with a group are just waste....but to be honest i can see MORE ppl like that into bassline then people like that on dubstep or even grime. from time every yout and his dog have bassline blazing out der whip, and a lot of ppl jumpin on this "you wot you wot" hype all of a sudden....as for the bit in red...u can meditate to dubstep tho, this aint one of dem false hype statements or things ppl exagerate, its one of dem actual experiences in a rave. im nt really gonna go into all that side of it cos it kind of diverges from ere...but i can only imagine a very small minority just hyping those kind of words without experiencing it. with raving generally, people sumtimes speak of the experience being religious, and suprisingly dubstep kind of touches on dat ground with certain raves. obviously ders certain genres that focus on that kind of experience more so with their raves and sound, but dubstep kind of does it without u expecting it (cos of the massive differences between all the styles). it doesnt come across like that, but the sublow bass frequencies on a weighty rig go deep...

In a way I like how valiantly you defend dubstep, you remind me of how I was when grime was just a dirty raw underground scene - naive. I thought that Grime would be like that forever but the mainstream has a way of absorbing the latest underground scene and very few scenes are the same afterwards. Of course their are people following the hype of bassline. But give it a year and I guarantee that you'll notice a similar affect within the dubstep scene, thats just how underground music works. I'm glad I got involved in grime when I did because i got the real experience of it when mans didn't give a f*ck about anything but making a tune that was gonna f*ck up a dance and I'm glad that i got into bassline when I did for the same reason. enjoy the dubstep scene for what it is now cos as pessimistic as it sounds your probably experiencing the best times right now.

ye even if it went totally commersh now, id still be very very happy that i got the most out of the underground and all the memories it left me...lol @ naive tho. i was listening to grime before it was grime, and even tho it had shades of the kind of "growth" feeling dubstep provides me now, it went down a TOTALLY different route, and u saw the death coming tbh...lol @ basing underground genres with the template of grime, just cos it f*cked up doesnt mean all the new scenes will go down that same route...the mainstream doesnt always "absorb underground scenes", its a very natural reaction. if it works it works, a scene could have 1 or many commercial successes, its all subjective and dependant on the situation...house and garage were pretty much changed by their mainstream attention over time, but look at DnB and Hardcore, those scenes had bits of commercial success but the underground stayed healthy and true to its nature, it never died or changed, mainly because collectively everyone still had the right focus...wen grime fizzled out it was because the commercial success of a few artists distracted everyone, and everyone aimed for that rather then growing what was theirs. too much focus on commercialism and it wasnt even natural, its was BREDDIN commercial success and the forced response wasnt enough to hold up the genre like how hip hop has, so it just killed the scene from what it once was...to be honest if dubstep was gonna get attacked by the mainstream and fizzle out it, the effects would of been more prominant by now, cos its been in the spotlight for quite some time and its still relatively untouched by the mainstream. night did very very well, but nobody is focused of making tracks to get that kind of reaction. or pushin in that kind of direction, if it happens it happens. everyone is just tryna make good music for themselves firstly. also the genre has been sed from early to be more likely than anything to end up like DnB and set to go down that same kind of route, which would be pretty good if it did that at least.in short, im not ignoring that things could turn sour and theres always a chance of it happening, nothing is set in stone for the future of the music, but all im saying is that the general attitude from those responsible is not hinting at that kind of direction, nor is the response from the general public.

You come across naive because up until now you've talked as if dubstep is going to be untainted forever. Grime isn't the template I'm using, I said that once an underground scene is tainted by the mainstream very few are the same afterwards which implies some manage to maintain their integrity and remain on the same path. But at the same time Dubstep is essentially a UK based scene so using examples of previous scenes that have come before it such as Grime and UKG (which dubstep has derived from) is a valid way of guaging how things may pan out. House was able to survive because its such a global scene and it became established in a completely different era but even know if you speak to some people who were involved in house in the early days they will tell you even now that the mainstream had a detrimental affect on house as a genre and as a clubing experience. Labels like MOS are often overlooked as one of the perpetrators who contribute to the downfall of underground music cos they're a dance label but in my opinion they are just as bad if not worse because the fact they're a dance label builds a false sense of security and trust with producers involved in scenes but they're as quick to jump on and then discard a genre as anybody.D&B survived but their were some very dark days for the scene when it didn't look like it would pull through. D&B lived but Jungle died ttkkGrime died cos a lot of people's heads were turned and because the rave scene got locked off which is the most effective way to kill a scene which the UK authorities specialise in. From what I've seen the followers of dubstep are predominantly white which will work in its favour cos none of the bad press about it being 'gangsta' music will appear.The mainstream always have and always will align themselves with underground scenes, this has been happening since the 60's with mod culture and will continue to happen for as long is music is being made. it may not have kicked in yet but I wil be astounded if Dubstep doesn't become more visible in the mainstream in the next few years. How it comes out the other end is debateable but we'll see.

[JOHN DOE]

HOL TITE CHARLES d*ckENS IN HERE WRITING NOVELS

[spiderman]

You come across naive because up until now you've talked as if dubstep is going to be untainted forever. Grime isn't the template I'm using, I said that once an underground scene is tainted by the mainstream very few are the same afterwards which implies some manage to maintain their integrity and remain on the same path. But at the same time Dubstep is essentially a UK based scene so using examples of previous scenes that have come before it such as Grime and UKG (which dubstep has derived from) is a valid way of guaging how things may pan out. House was able to survive because its such a global scene and it became established in a completely different era but even know if you speak to some people who were involved in house in the early days they will tell you even now that the mainstream had a detrimental affect on house as a genre and as a clubing experience. Labels like MOS are often overlooked as one of the perpetrators who contribute to the downfall of underground music cos they're a dance label but in my opinion they are just as bad if not worse because the fact they're a dance label builds a false sense of security and trust with producers involved in scenes but they're as quick to jump on and then discard a genre as anybody.D&B survived but their were some very dark days for the scene when it didn't look like it would pull through. D&B lived but Jungle died ttkkGrime died cos a lot of people's heads were turned and because the rave scene got locked off which is the most effective way to kill a scene which the UK authorities specialise in. From what I've seen the followers of dubstep are predominantly white which will work in its favour cos none of the bad press about it being 'gangsta' music will appear.The mainstream always have and always will align themselves with underground scenes, this has been happening since the 60's with mod culture and will continue to happen for as long is music is being made. it may not have kicked in yet but I wil be astounded if Dubstep doesn't become more visible in the mainstream in the next few years. How it comes out the other end is debateable but we'll see.

ive never spoken of dubstep in a future tense on ere at all, and ive never implied anything about its future for that matter, so i dont know how ur interpreting that.fair enough its logical to compare dubstep to UKG and Grime cos there connected....but i think if u look at the fundamentals of the music itself, its quite different from the 2. it has more in common with early dnb in terms of its reaction and response as a scene, thats why i think thats a better comparison.ur probably right that mainstream attention in dubstep will rise in the coming years, and ders a strong chance it may change forever...but if dnb survived cos of the collective efforts of producers and dj's to keep the raves alive and the innovation in the underground to keep it going, then that means dubstep has a strong chance of going that same way cos that same kind of attitude thats enforced in it imo.its the reaction to the mainstream attention that will define it in years to come. like u said things like MOS and commercialised routes are some of the biggest threats to music...so a measure of how likely a scene is to crumble from all that attention is the reaction and response, and as long as ur not embracing it too much i think u can get away with a lot..grime tried to over embrace it and that was one of the reasons it f*cked up. DnB was kind of indifferent so it didnt f*ck up. House had mixed reactions along its timeline, which is why it is kind of in some middle land where parts of it hold true its 20 years nature whilst others parts of house sound completely morphed by the mainstream influnece.

[Guest WAVE MACHINE]

can u really say grime is dead tho when the artists involved with it seem to be having success than ever.

[Da Luv Doc]

can u really say grime is dead tho when the artists involved with it seem to be having success than ever.

What grime tune is big?

[Guest WAVE MACHINE]

can u really say grime is dead tho when the artists involved with it seem to be having success than ever.

What grime tune is big?

i said artists tbh - watered down tracks u could claim a few but i wouldnt say real grime. the artists tho have built a big enough buzz through grime to get recognition for the more mainstream friendly crowd. couple major signings, most recently tinchy to island.u hate grime thats cool. like to hear u say, in a coherent way why its so dead tho.

[A Bit Better]

can u really say grime is dead tho when the artists involved with it seem to be having success than ever.

What grime tune is big?

None of the ones by Jookie Mundo.

[spiderman]

can u really say grime is dead tho when the artists involved with it seem to be having success than ever.

its dead compared to what it used to be.a select few maybe havin success, but the majority of what their doing sounds like what flojo was on about...the mainstream attention changing the genre forever, and there the result.

[o-guy]

hardly anyone i know, know where it comes from. jus think its sh*t. when u properly listen to it, it is.llow anyone comin in here and sayin the above statement is true, gives these northerners suttin to chat sh*t about.

i had no idea it was from northbut i thought it was sh*t from day

[o-guy]

more to do with it being reptitive and ear aching

basically

[Guest Sorter.]

can u really say grime is dead tho when the artists involved with it seem to be having success than ever.

What grime tune is big?

i said artists tbh - watered down tracks u could claim a few but i wouldnt say real grime. the artists tho have built a big enough buzz through grime to get recognition for the more mainstream friendly crowd. couple major signings, most recently tinchy to island.u hate grime thats cool. like to hear u say, in a coherent way why its so dead tho.

its dead imo....i LOVED real grime, the bigshot, youngstar, jon e cash, alias, dj oddz...now the raw element has totally gone and its more like hip hop...even the people who are considered to make propa grime (bbk ect) make sh*t beats...uk garage influenced grime > hip hop influenced grime (DEAD)

[Guest Van Der Wavy]

Argh.

[Snoop]

can u really say grime is dead tho when the artists involved with it seem to be having success than ever.

Grime ain't dead.. it's just not as popular in other places as it is in London... and it's nothing to do with the quality of the music .. it's just harder for people to get access to the music... you could ask people in Manchester, Birmingham and other places in the UK to name the most recognisable Grime artist in the UK.. and the first reply would be " What is Grime?" or " I like that Dizzie Rascal"...

[Guest Sorter.]

can u really say grime is dead tho when the artists involved with it seem to be having success than ever.

Grime ain't dead.. it's just not as popular in other places as it is in London... and it's nothing to do with the quality of the music .. it's just harder for people to get access to the music... you could ask people in Manchester, Birmingham and other places in the UK to name the most recognisable Grime artist in the UK.. and the first reply would be " What is Grime?" or " I like that Dizzie Rascal"...

this statement is 100% false.

[Thun]

can u really say grime is dead tho when the artists involved with it seem to be having success than ever.

Grime ain't dead.. it's just not as popular in other places as it is in London... and it's nothing to do with the quality of the music .. it's just harder for people to get access to the music... you could ask people in Manchester, Birmingham and other places in the UK to name the most recognisable Grime artist in the UK.. and the first reply would be " What is Grime?" or " I like that Dizzie Rascal"...

this statement is 100% false.

C/S

[Beavis]

Everyone i know that lives in the north thinks bassline is totally sh*t, i dont care where it is made or who it is made by, it is just sh*t music.

[iheartgrime]

I'm from LondonI love Bassline and Niche and 4x4Do something!

[Flash]

im from london im a bassline 4x4 producer and i hate it when someone calls it niche its f*ck*ng jarring

[iheartgrime]

im from london im a bassline 4x4 producer and i hate it when someone calls it niche its f*ck*ng jarring

TBH Bassline and Niche are not totally differnet from each other There both sub-genres of speed garage, 4x4 garage etcBut to the people who like myself listen to both Bassline and Nich - You can notice the differences