Drift Posted April 25, 2011 Report Share Posted April 25, 2011 To the person saying we've been scoring enough to win sh*t:Man City HomeMan U AwayChelsea AwayLiverpool Home and AwayBlackburn HomeNewcastle HomeOff the top of my head, we hardly looked like scoring in all of those apart from against Man City. In the 1st half v City we missed a couple sitters/Joe Hart did well but the 2nd half was more like the other matches; enough of the ball to be making it count but we don't.Ironically we scored in some of those games but they were fortunate/isolated incidents.We need to improve in both ends of the pitch, Barcelona alone should have taught us that.chelsea away kos had a free header in the 1st minute or something he should have buried.liverpool at home we took the lead DEEP into stoppage time yet the defence still managed to f*ck things over.obviously youre not going to look like scoring in every single match you play but i still think weve done enough going forward this season. weve only scored 4 less than man utd this season in the league yet were 9 points behind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nem kid Posted April 25, 2011 Report Share Posted April 25, 2011 Arsenal need another full back as well, Sagnas and Clichys crossing is horrible they offer nothing attacking wise.Not the biggest problem when we have no one to even cross to if RVP's playingYeah i hear you, buts its not just the crossing aspect that there poor in, i rarely see the likes of Evra Cole Alves cross the ball yet they offer so much going forward, with Sagna and Clichy you basically have two left backs who don't really do nothing attacking wise apart from misplace crosses into the box(especially Sagna), to be honest if i was Wenger i would let Clichy go and sign a more accomplished fullback both defensively and attack wise.Also i feel there is extra importance to be placed on your fullbacks because you don't play with traditional wingers.evras crossing is awful tbhThats why he doesn't cross the ball, he makes overlapping runs into the box ala Alves attacking wise he is he best left back in the league.he does cross the ball and 99% of the time it goes to an opposition player and then he gets caught out of position and we have to rely on our wingers to run back. he is an attacking threat tho dont get me wrong. he can beat players quite comfortably Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drift Posted April 25, 2011 Report Share Posted April 25, 2011 dont know why clichy and sagna dont just cut in like evra does instead of hoofing crosses to nobody and killing moves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n/a Posted April 25, 2011 Report Share Posted April 25, 2011 Said it before, I'll say it again, the difference in actual talent between Vela & Hernandez isn't that wide but United play in a way that suits Hernandez so much more & I think you put Vela in that United team, he'd score the same amount of goals. Maybe not as crucial but definitely a similar amount.u think vela would score the amount hernandez has scored this season, i dunno bout thatim sorry but vela has shown very little in terms of being a player at the top level in the time hes been hereand what he has shown definetly aint that kind of goal scoring abilityi swear anelka started all this vela has the same ability as hernandezthere totally diff players so hard to compare there abilities directlyso u jus go on what theyve done whilst in england imoand theres no comparison 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Awesome Kong Posted April 25, 2011 Report Share Posted April 25, 2011 Song is NOT defensive at all. He's not good attacking either he's just an extra body in the middle. Djourou is not first team quality we cant go into next year without getting another center back.Your an idiot, Song not defensive........STFU!!! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TF S4DK Posted April 25, 2011 Report Share Posted April 25, 2011 Lol, Parker & Cahill in our team would do more of a job for us./Apparently, United have dropped more points from winning positions in matches than Arsenal.Arsene is a snob, I'm not saying he doesnt rate them, but he dont rate them at the fees their clubs would command for them to join Arsenal.They have, well had, not sure if its still the case after this week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TF S4DK Posted April 25, 2011 Report Share Posted April 25, 2011 Song is NOT defensive at all. He's not good attacking either he's just an extra body in the middle. If Song aint defensive then nobody is in our team, cos Song is the only one I see taking any responsibility or accountablility. Even his yellow card yesterday, yes a poor touch by him let Bolton in, but the difference is unlike Fabregas at the Nou Camp, Song took his man out and got a yellow, thats responsibility IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francis Coquelin Posted April 25, 2011 Report Share Posted April 25, 2011 dont know why clichy and sagna dont just cut in like evra does instead of hoofing crosses to nobody and killing moves.a) clichy's right foot is for display purposes only2. sagna is a shocking baller who can't wait to get rid of the ball as soon as he gets it. shits his pants whenever he's closed down.said from day 1 he's any carragher with pace.4-3-3 expose them differently Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TF S4DK Posted April 25, 2011 Report Share Posted April 25, 2011 I duno about that tbhi think wenger is starting to realise this making do with so and so is such a parWiltshere is a promising prospectBUT watching him post Bolton, his reply to comments made me think hes more open to opinions than previously beforeive heard him make comments about Jack the lad all season like "take it step by step" type barsthe second season can always be more testing, playing too much could be a problem etc etcI just think them "what ur asking me to do is kill Johan Djouriou" barsis starting to catch up with him mentallymaybe making him see a different way to the current regime espeshin the light of El Captains/ex players comments who knows i learnt to except along time ago that Wenger will always leave me with transfer/tactical descsions sometimes turning to but in recent times Lol, Wenger in April/May is a different beast to Wenger in July/August. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michel Kane Posted April 25, 2011 Report Share Posted April 25, 2011 Said it before, I'll say it again, the difference in actual talent between Vela & Hernandez isn't that wide but United play in a way that suits Hernandez so much more & I think you put Vela in that United team, he'd score the same amount of goals. Maybe not as crucial but definitely a similar amount.u think vela would score the amount hernandez has scored this season, i dunno bout thatim sorry but vela has shown very little in terms of being a player at the top level in the time hes been hereand what he has shown definetly aint that kind of goal scoring abilityi swear anelka started all this vela has the same ability as hernandezthere totally diff players so hard to compare there abilities directlyso u jus go on what theyve done whilst in england imoand theres no comparisonIn terms of playing style, Vela is very much a poacher like Hernandez. Anyone who watched him playing in that under 20's World Cup & his 1st season at Arsenal would tell you that.And again, only reason he's shown little, is because we don't play to his strengths. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TF S4DK Posted April 25, 2011 Report Share Posted April 25, 2011 anyone else think the Wilshere hyping has gone too far?He would stroll into your 1st team and stay there until retirement.pmslfirst time ive seen murko end someone in a few years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TF S4DK Posted April 25, 2011 Report Share Posted April 25, 2011 For the record, this 'we don't shoot outside of the box enough' talk is a myth.IIRC, I think we're amongst the teams that have the highest shots on goal ratio & the most on target to.The main problem is we aren't direct enough in the final third & being direct in the final third doesn't necessarily mean just shooting, but also playing faster balls behind the defence or stretching the defence fast enough.Bar Walcott, there aren't enough productive 'outlets' for Arsenal so what happens IMO is a lot of frivolous passing happens in front of goal.Our shoots from outside the box this season to last season, fell off big time, I see the stat the other day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n/a Posted April 25, 2011 Report Share Posted April 25, 2011 Said it before, I'll say it again, the difference in actual talent between Vela & Hernandez isn't that wide but United play in a way that suits Hernandez so much more & I think you put Vela in that United team, he'd score the same amount of goals. Maybe not as crucial but definitely a similar amount.u think vela would score the amount hernandez has scored this season, i dunno bout thatim sorry but vela has shown very little in terms of being a player at the top level in the time hes been hereand what he has shown definetly aint that kind of goal scoring abilityi swear anelka started all this vela has the same ability as hernandezthere totally diff players so hard to compare there abilities directlyso u jus go on what theyve done whilst in england imoand theres no comparisonIn terms of playing style, Vela is very much a poacher like Hernandez. Anyone who watched him playing in that under 20's World Cup & his 1st season at Arsenal would tell you that.And again, only reason he's shown little, is because we don't play to his strengths.i dunno what his best position is, nd unlike hernadez hes a player who can fill a few roles so has been shifted aboutif the poacher is his best role, wenger dont seem to fancy him there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michel Kane Posted April 25, 2011 Report Share Posted April 25, 2011 Fam, Wenger plays Nicklas Bendnter as a RW.That should tell you something. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TF S4DK Posted April 25, 2011 Report Share Posted April 25, 2011 were sh*t at defending.going forward weve scored more than enough goals this season to win sh*t.how are you gonna score 2 against west brom and still lose/draw.how are you gonna score 4 against newcastle and still draw.2 against spurs and still lose. etc.need to sort out the back, going forward were one of the best in the league.I dont think we have tbh. I bet without looking we aint the top scorers in the league.If we was more clinical, teams wouldnt even bother attacking us. We defend poorly from the front as poorly as at the back, we as fans just prefer the name at the front than the back.... I watched Barcelona defend with a centre-back pairing of Maschereno and Busquets, they wasn't troubled, cos teams are scared to even try cos Barcelona take their chances, we don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TF S4DK Posted April 25, 2011 Report Share Posted April 25, 2011 while i agree the back is prioritywhat u said is true along as everyone is fitWe played our first-choice 11, bar Vermaelen, this whole week, we got 2 points from 9... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenny Posted April 25, 2011 Report Share Posted April 25, 2011 To the person saying we've been scoring enough to win sh*t:Man City HomeMan U AwayChelsea AwayLiverpool Home and AwayBlackburn HomeNewcastle HomeOff the top of my head, we hardly looked like scoring in all of those apart from against Man City. In the 1st half v City we missed a couple sitters/Joe Hart did well but the 2nd half was more like the other matches; enough of the ball to be making it count but we don't.Ironically we scored in some of those games but they were fortunate/isolated incidents.We need to improve in both ends of the pitch, Barcelona alone should have taught us that. chelsea away kos had a free header in the 1st minute or something he should have buried.liverpool at home we took the lead DEEP into stoppage time yet the defence still managed to f*ck things over.obviously youre not going to look like scoring in every single match you play but i still think weve done enough going forward this season. weve only scored 4 less than man utd this season in the league yet were 9 points behind. That was from a corner. I'm on about open play seeing as we're not Stoke, I don't expect us to rely on corners to have chances.In terms of Liverpool, we had 1 good chance with RVP which was late, not enough. An individual error gave us a goal and we returned the favour. I'm not really blaming our defence as a whole for that.I also don't think Man U are some great attacking force this season but I guess they are the benchmark since they are top.That stat sounds good but we have scored 31 in 34 home games 12 less than Man U (6 of which were against Blackpool) Then consider some of the teams we drop points against at home (I left out Sunderland)TBH, the level of goals scored by all teams is kinda low for top teams IMO.Our defence IS the more pressing issue but don't be fooled by our attack/stats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TF S4DK Posted April 25, 2011 Report Share Posted April 25, 2011 I think Vela should be more comparable to dos Santos, not what they do on the pitch but more... 'If he could pass a nightclub as well as he can pass a ball he would be alright,' said Redknapp.'He's got bags of ability and fantastic skill. If he knuckles down this year he could be a top player.'He's a nice kid and I hope he keeps his head down and gets on with the job.' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted April 25, 2011 Report Share Posted April 25, 2011 Song is NOT defensive at all. He's not good attacking either he's just an extra body in the middle. If Song aint defensive then nobody is in our team, cos Song is the only one I see taking any responsibility or accountablility. Even his yellow card yesterday, yes a poor touch by him let Bolton in, but the difference is unlike Fabregas at the Nou Camp, Song took his man out and got a yellow, thats responsibility IMO.And how many times has Song been brushed off the ball with ease this year? Even in the past month I've seen Lennon and Evra leave him on the ground in a 50/50. I cant see another defensive mid (at the top teams) losing out so much physically, Our defense in general has been sh*t at times and Song has never helped the situation, A crunching challenge or a crucial interception to set us on our way can boost a team but when hes getting left on the floor by 90% of the league is he the real physical presence we need there? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n/a Posted April 25, 2011 Report Share Posted April 25, 2011 Song is NOT defensive at all. He's not good attacking either he's just an extra body in the middle. If Song aint defensive then nobody is in our team, cos Song is the only one I see taking any responsibility or accountablility. Even his yellow card yesterday, yes a poor touch by him let Bolton in, but the difference is unlike Fabregas at the Nou Camp, Song took his man out and got a yellow, thats responsibility IMO.And how many times has Song been brushed off the ball with ease this year? Even in the past month I've seen Lennon and Evra leave him on the ground in a 50/50. I cant see another defensive mid (at the top teams) losing out so much physically, Our defense in general has been sh*t at times and Song has never helped the situation, A crunching challenge or a crucial interception to set us on our way can boost a team but when hes getting left on the floor by 90% of the league is he the real physical presence we need there?smh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TF S4DK Posted April 25, 2011 Report Share Posted April 25, 2011 Talent is all there. Responsibility is not there at all, bar Song I don't see anyone in that team that can really switch from attacking mode to defensive at all.Not convinced with the talent side of things, RVP, Cesc, Nasri, Sagna are the stand out players but bar that, how many including those 4 i mentioned would start at top 4 clubs in the major european leagues?Don't get me wrong we have very good / decent / players with potential but how many have had better seasons than Toite, Barton, Nolan, Bent, Jarvis, Adam, Carroll, Holden, VDV, Modric, Phil Neville, Mulumbu & Ben Watson...Im sure those respective managers wudnt swap some of their players for ours..Cant see any CB's coming in, he will have to sell 1 and that would be squid, even then I cant see Djourou wanting to be 3rd choice and Kos 4th behind the new CBItaly and Spain are major Europena leagues, and a LOT of our players would walk into top 4 sides in those countries. Think you should narrow it a bit...Not even gonna bite with some of those names, the last two, lol.We will add a centre-back. If we don't then Wenger Kyle Bartley must have had a f*ck*ng impressive pre-season... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Awesome Kong Posted April 25, 2011 Report Share Posted April 25, 2011 LOL Another fraff talk. Trying to say Songs any Glen Hoddle. Turkish is the only guy who thinks song is not defensive, come like some dude at the gym saying Diaby is one of our best players smh!!! 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TF S4DK Posted April 25, 2011 Report Share Posted April 25, 2011 Song is NOT defensive at all. He's not good attacking either he's just an extra body in the middle. If Song aint defensive then nobody is in our team, cos Song is the only one I see taking any responsibility or accountablility. Even his yellow card yesterday, yes a poor touch by him let Bolton in, but the difference is unlike Fabregas at the Nou Camp, Song took his man out and got a yellow, thats responsibility IMO.And how many times has Song been brushed off the ball with ease this year? Even in the past month I've seen Lennon and Evra leave him on the ground in a 50/50. I cant see another defensive mid (at the top teams) losing out so much physically, Our defense in general has been sh*t at times and Song has never helped the situation, A crunching challenge or a crucial interception to set us on our way can boost a team but when hes getting left on the floor by 90% of the league is he the real physical presence we need there? :/Dunno where to start tbh... I just don't know... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TF S4DK Posted April 25, 2011 Report Share Posted April 25, 2011 LOL Another fraff talk. Trying to say Songs any Glen Hoddle. Turkish is the only guy who thinks song is not defensive, come like some dude at the gym saying Diaby is one of our best players smh!!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mp* Posted April 25, 2011 Report Share Posted April 25, 2011 Unless we put 4 past a couple teams we are on course to score much less goals in comparison to last season. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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