Mr Q Posted April 28, 2011 Report Share Posted April 28, 2011 Everyone coming out w/ the same statements Arsenal was coming up with a month ago.Nobody listened and said "Buuh, you're just bad losers", "Look at the stats".What makes this different./Wenger blames the ref and UEFA, he's a bad loser.Mourinho blames the ref and UEFA, suddenly everyone listens./[Tulse] One rule for Arsenal, one rule for other teams.[Tulse]Gotta say this is very true. Especially about Mourinho moaning and everyone saying ahh he is right Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Planet Posted April 28, 2011 Report Share Posted April 28, 2011 Its because when ur the fan of a team emotions run differentI dunno about mk he supports everyonebut anyway they are both bad losers of coursebut i never argued wengers argument was voidi just wanted him to shut the f*ck up because when he whinges nobody cares and he and our club gets rideculed by the media and the (london) utd fans i encounter on a dailymourinho will say stuff and it carries more weight because he is a recent winner of thingsif u are the cl holder and u make a contrversial statemnt people will take u more seriously than someone who has won f*ck all in recent times+ the mourinho media charisma factor 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BATTY BOY BUM BANDIT Posted April 28, 2011 Report Share Posted April 28, 2011 Oh and I really dont wanna hear Arsenal fans cry about missing Diarra too btw.I give up talking to Anderson btw. Beginning to feel like a dog chasing his tail.LOL. Youre such a mug.Going on like your talknig some advanced football language.OF COURSE I KNOW THAT BEING OVERLY AGRESSIVE AND ILL DISCIPLINED I LIKELY TO GET ONE OF YOUR PLAYERS SENT OFF.My argument is that there wasnt anyone being OVER aggresive, not was there a lack of discipline...yet they still had a man sent off, and your saying mourinhos tactics were wrong for allowing this to happen?Your chatting utter shite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flojo Posted April 28, 2011 Report Share Posted April 28, 2011 C/STF and flojo arent beign realistic imoWhat manager will alter his tactics to give allowance for a biased refIf thats the case then half the teams that travel old trafford when howard "12th man" webb is in charge will not even bother turning upReals gameplan was undone by a ref had saw a good vs evil type of view on the game just as per usual with real vs barcaThere was one point dring the game where messi was begging so hard with the ref, thumbs up and all sorts and i just knew he was just being a c*nt in guise of an angelAs a manager it's your responsibility to factor in everything when you set up your game plan.Potential weaknesses in the oppositionPoor playing surfaceFitness of your playersAtmosphereOfficialsetc etcMourinho has been banging on about how much influence Barca have on the ref for time so if he was aware of it he should have factored it in to how he set up his team.I agree but only in the sense of a card-happy ref, beyond that is purely comicalNo manager should and will assume that a ref is going to give decisions against their players based on negative preconceptions before the gameIn that case lee cattermole will never play again because bruce will say "well refs know he likes to tackle hard so if he plays he will get sent off and simply cost us the game"No manager does thisEven the most cunty of guys van bommel will start games like these regardlessIf managers did this then there is a flaw in football andthey are giving inManagers contrary to rumour actually trust in the refs abilities to be unbiased before a game, it just doesnt always pan out that wayReal were denied the opportunity to play their game because of a ref that was lovestruck with barca as most people in the game are That's exactly what Mourinho has been saying for weeks and it follows on from what I was saying yesterday about some managers having this stigma of 'master of mind games' attached no matter what. He thought that by putting pressure on the refs he'd get some leniency but it backfired badly. Nobody is talking about Guardiola being justified in his 'rant'.The joke is if Real go out and a year down the line Mourinho makes a room full of journos laugh everyone will be back to 'Mourinho is a master of mind games'.Mourinho knew the score, if you are given lemons make lemonade. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michel Kane Posted April 28, 2011 Report Share Posted April 28, 2011 You're looking at it as an isolated game, they're playing each other 4 times in quick succession so of course the previous games are going to factor in.Defensive tactics aren't bullying, but some of the challenges I've seen from Real over the past few weeks were attempts at bullying Barca off their game rather than trying to stifle / outplay them.You need discipline to play defensively against Barca which has been lacking from Real. Ramos, Pepe, Arbeloa, Alonso, Adebayor and others have all been guilty of making rash, stupid challenges so it's no surprise they've had men sent off. Correct. What happened in the last 3 meetings should be irrelevant. I agree again, yet Pepe was sent off incorrectly last night, and before the sending off, there were no malicious kung fu kicks from ramos as he likes to do when he has headloss etc. And the last point I also agree with, however, an incorrect sending off is what changed the game at the end of the day. and before that aending off Reals discipline was fine. So im failing to comprehend how TF can say that Mourinhos tactics were wrong.... You must be doing this on purpose.Yes, Mourinho shares responsibility.IF YOU KNOW PRIOR TO THE GAME THAT BARCELONA WILL INFLUENCE THE REF & THAT HE WILL MAKE QUESTIONABLE DECISIONS, TELL YOUR PLAYERS TO BE MORE DISCIPLINED.sh*t, what's so hard to get comprehend about that?That's why Mourinho & Madrid players/fans should not feel like victims here.WHAT DO YOU MEAN MORE DISCIPLINED!?!?!?!?DEARY ME. THE RED CARD OFFENCE WAS HARDLY ILL DISCIPLINED WAS IT?SHOULD THEY JUST NOT TACKLE ALL GAME THEN OR SOMETHING???This is getting boring. Seems youre the one finding it hard to comprehend.What do I mean more 'disciplined'? LOOOLYou seem to acknowledge in your agreement with Flojo up there that Madrid were generally going on reckless with their challenges, so when I say more 'disciplined', don't act coy with me like you don't know exactly what I'm talking about in an attempt to prove your point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BATTY BOY BUM BANDIT Posted April 28, 2011 Report Share Posted April 28, 2011 Everyone coming out w/ the same statements Arsenal was coming up with a month ago.Nobody listened and said "Buuh, you're just bad losers", "Look at the stats".What makes this different./Wenger blames the ref and UEFA, he's a bad loser.Mourinho blames the ref and UEFA, suddenly everyone listens./[Tulse] One rule for Arsenal, one rule for other teams.[Tulse]Gotta say this is very true. Especially about Mourinho moaning and everyone saying ahh he is rightTrue. However I dont think there were many people saying RVPs red was justified either. It also wasnt the turning point of the game... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Q Posted April 28, 2011 Report Share Posted April 28, 2011 I personally think Ramos should've been sent off for 2 bookable offences. After grabbing Messi by the hair and trying to treat him like a puppet, that deserved a 2nd yellow.In fact in most of these games, Ramos does some questionable sh*t that I've never heard Pep cry about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michel Kane Posted April 28, 2011 Report Share Posted April 28, 2011 Its because when ur the fan of a team emotions run differentI dunno about mk he supports everyonebut anyway they are both bad losers of coursebut i never argued wengers argument was voidi just wanted him to shut the f*ck up because when he whinges nobody cares and he and our club gets rideculed by the media and the (london) utd fans i encounter on a dailymourinho will say stuff and it carries more weight because he is a recent winner of thingsif u are the cl holder and u make a contrversial statemnt people will take u more seriously than someone who has won f*ck all in recent times+ the mourinho media charisma factor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TF S4DK Posted April 28, 2011 Report Share Posted April 28, 2011 When Mourinho talks people listen.Wenger loses more than Mourinho. You get tired of the "excuses" regardless of how correct they might be...Like I said this Real Madrid team is gonna expose Mourinho... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michel Kane Posted April 28, 2011 Report Share Posted April 28, 2011 Everyone coming out w/ the same statements Arsenal was coming up with a month ago.Nobody listened and said "Buuh, you're just bad losers", "Look at the stats".What makes this different./Wenger blames the ref and UEFA, he's a bad loser.Mourinho blames the ref and UEFA, suddenly everyone listens./[Tulse] One rule for Arsenal, one rule for other teams.[Tulse]Gotta say this is very true. Especially about Mourinho moaning and everyone saying ahh he is rightTrue. However I dont think there were many people saying RVPs red was justified either. It also wasnt the turning point of the game... Yeah, I'm done. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Planet Posted April 28, 2011 Report Share Posted April 28, 2011 also u cant simply tell a player "be more disciplined" cos in the heat of the game what the player has known to do all his footballing life will naturally occurso when u see stupid clumsy tackles made in the box by guys like eboue dont act like they were semi-intentional Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Q Posted April 28, 2011 Report Share Posted April 28, 2011 Everyone coming out w/ the same statements Arsenal was coming up with a month ago.Nobody listened and said "Buuh, you're just bad losers", "Look at the stats".What makes this different./Wenger blames the ref and UEFA, he's a bad loser.Mourinho blames the ref and UEFA, suddenly everyone listens./[Tulse] One rule for Arsenal, one rule for other teams.[Tulse]Gotta say this is very true. Especially about Mourinho moaning and everyone saying ahh he is rightTrue. However I dont think there were many people saying RVPs red was justified either. It also wasnt the turning point of the game...Lol, I'm sure the Arsenal fans will quickly turn and tell you that if RVP was on the end of that chance instead of Bendtner, they were 90% more likely to be facing whoever it was in the next round than Barca were. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seydou Posted April 28, 2011 Report Share Posted April 28, 2011 :lol:Tryna say that if RVP didnt have that Bendtner chance, he wouldnt bury. But that's another discussion./ Dikhead, posted it before me. Allow it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TF S4DK Posted April 28, 2011 Report Share Posted April 28, 2011 Oh and I really dont wanna hear Arsenal fans cry about missing Diarra too btw.I give up talking to Anderson btw. Beginning to feel like a dog chasing his tail.LOL. Youre such a mug.Going on like your talknig some advanced football language.OF COURSE I KNOW THAT BEING OVERLY AGRESSIVE AND ILL DISCIPLINED I LIKELY TO GET ONE OF YOUR PLAYERS SENT OFF.My argument is that there wasnt anyone being OVER aggresive, not was there a lack of discipline...yet they still had a man sent off, and your saying mourinhos tactics were wrong for allowing this to happen?Your chatting utter shite.Maybe I'm giving your manager and your team too much credit here, but do you think Carrick, Fletcher, Giggs/Scholes would handle Barcelona with the same aggression, yes they would spoil, break up their possesion play, but they will be more cute, the problem with Madrid is too many Madrid players are cunts that play like cunts in that spoiler mode. Infact lets just watch Sunday and Fergie to show Mourinho how to do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michel Kane Posted April 28, 2011 Report Share Posted April 28, 2011 also u cant simply tell a player "be more disciplined" cos in the heat of the game what the player has known to do all his footballing life will naturally occurso when u see stupid clumsy tackles made in the box by guys like eboue dont act like they were semi-intentionalYeah, because giving away a dumb penalty in the 100th+ minute of a extra-time is the same as a CB making alot of rash challenges (some legit, some not legit) in your oppositions final 3rd is the same thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BATTY BOY BUM BANDIT Posted April 28, 2011 Report Share Posted April 28, 2011 Yeah, I'm done.Swear Arsenal were 2 down before the red card. So RVP getting sent off changed the game yeah?:lol:snmGonna leave it there, keep the discussion on Mourinhos tactics. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flojo Posted April 28, 2011 Report Share Posted April 28, 2011 Its because when ur the fan of a team emotions run differentI dunno about mk he supports everyonebut anyway they are both bad losers of coursebut i never argued wengers argument was voidi just wanted him to shut the f*ck up because when he whinges nobody cares and he and our club gets rideculed by the media and the (london) utd fans i encounter on a dailymourinho will say stuff and it carries more weight because he is a recent winner of thingsif u are the cl holder and u make a contrversial statemnt people will take u more seriously than someone who has won f*ck all in recent times+ the mourinho media charisma factorI know exactly what you mean because not so long ago I was in your shoes, some guy made a healthy argument full of facts but rather than listen to what he was saying people chose to label it as a rant. A few weeks later some 'master of mind games' comes out talking about hand signals being disrespectful and nobody says sh*t./I have noticed that generally Man Utd fans see Real as the victims in this rivalry and feel Barcelona are favoured, the irony of it all is hurting my brain. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michel Kane Posted April 28, 2011 Report Share Posted April 28, 2011 Oh and I really dont wanna hear Arsenal fans cry about missing Diarra too btw.I give up talking to Anderson btw. Beginning to feel like a dog chasing his tail.LOL. Youre such a mug.Going on like your talknig some advanced football language.OF COURSE I KNOW THAT BEING OVERLY AGRESSIVE AND ILL DISCIPLINED I LIKELY TO GET ONE OF YOUR PLAYERS SENT OFF.My argument is that there wasnt anyone being OVER aggresive, not was there a lack of discipline...yet they still had a man sent off, and your saying mourinhos tactics were wrong for allowing this to happen?Your chatting utter shite.Maybe I'm giving your manager and your team too much credit here, but do you think Carrick, Fletcher, Giggs/Scholes would handle Barcelona with the same aggression, yes they would spoil, but they will be more cute, infact lets just watch Sunday the CL final and Fergie to show Mourinho how to do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michel Kane Posted April 28, 2011 Report Share Posted April 28, 2011 Yeah, I'm done. Swear Arsenal were 2 down before the red card. So RVP getting sent off changed the game yeah?:lol:snmGonna leave it there, keep the discussion on Mourinhos tactics. Stop typing, please. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BATTY BOY BUM BANDIT Posted April 28, 2011 Report Share Posted April 28, 2011 Everyone coming out w/ the same statements Arsenal was coming up with a month ago.Nobody listened and said "Buuh, you're just bad losers", "Look at the stats".What makes this different./Wenger blames the ref and UEFA, he's a bad loser.Mourinho blames the ref and UEFA, suddenly everyone listens./[Tulse] One rule for Arsenal, one rule for other teams.[Tulse]Gotta say this is very true. Especially about Mourinho moaning and everyone saying ahh he is rightTrue. However I dont think there were many people saying RVPs red was justified either. It also wasnt the turning point of the game...Lol, I'm sure the Arsenal fans will quickly turn and tell you that if RVP was on the end of that chance instead of Bendtner, they were 90% more likely to be facing whoever it was in the next round than Barca were.LOL.I hope they do. Because if they do then it proves how flawed theyre logic relating to football is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Q Posted April 28, 2011 Report Share Posted April 28, 2011 Yeah, I'm done.Swear Arsenal were 2 down before the red card. So RVP getting sent off changed the game yeah?:lol:snmGonna leave it there, keep the discussion on Mourinhos tactics.They needed 1 away goal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seydou Posted April 28, 2011 Report Share Posted April 28, 2011 Yeah, I'm done.Swear Arsenal were 2 down before the red card. So RVP getting sent off changed the game yeah?:lol:snmGonna leave it there, keep the discussion on Mourinhos tactics. :D Fakin Hell...seriuslyWe would've been through on away goals, but yes continue Mourinho tacts./Again he posts before me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TF S4DK Posted April 28, 2011 Report Share Posted April 28, 2011 Yeah, I'm done.Swear Arsenal were 2 down before the red card. So RVP getting sent off changed the game yeah?:lol:snmGonna leave it there, keep the discussion on Mourinhos tactics.MAKE IT STOP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Q Posted April 28, 2011 Report Share Posted April 28, 2011 But anyway, f*ck Real Madrid the club of Franco. f*ck Jose Mourinho. The longer they spend 400 million plus and still can't beat Barca to anything important, the better the world is. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BATTY BOY BUM BANDIT Posted April 28, 2011 Report Share Posted April 28, 2011 :lol:This is a truly shocking argument coming from you boys.Shocking. /f*ck barca. f*ck Real. f*ck off TF. /Edit - ah fair it was 1-1 when he got sent off. OK, my bad (bad memory). Mourinhos tactics point still stands 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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