Im Broke Posted October 24, 2011 Report Share Posted October 24, 2011 Porchy, by all means I'm with you when it comes to having players being footballers first, athletes second but the way you dismiss athleticism & specialist players i.e. poachers, dedicated ball-winners, etc isn't good. And not sure if Suarez >>> RVP TBH. Why do you consider Rooney better than Van Persie? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MYTH Posted October 24, 2011 Report Share Posted October 24, 2011 :lol: some prize bells on 'ere fuck this, i'm going to bed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Im Broke Posted October 24, 2011 Report Share Posted October 24, 2011 RVP isnt' even a striker, if Arsenal weren't soo shit he wouldnt play there done alright so far, but comparisons with people like Rooney and Suarez is a step too far imo / porchy would probs know, but he played some of his best stuff @ Feyenoord in that position just behind the front 2/3? Seriously what a joke of a post, check his stats, what is it 25 in 25 games, pretty good for someone who shouldn't be playing there, don't you think. He is the same type of player as Rooney, and for the record Suarez isn't an out and out striker either, any Liverpool fan would tell you this. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Portuguese Posted October 24, 2011 Report Share Posted October 24, 2011 Ok lets stop this right here. In terms of technique RVP over almost anyone bar certain man like KAKA. Rooney cannot stand next to RVP when it comes to technical ability. I kept on reading until you mentioned Kaka Kaka has very good technique but it's no way up there and never has been. IMO Kaka when he was on top of his game he relied on pace more than technique! RVP is better than Rooney technically but all round Rooney>>RVP that's what this arguement is about Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Im Broke Posted October 24, 2011 Report Share Posted October 24, 2011 :lol: some prize bells on 'ere fuck this, i'm going to bed Your a mug lad, you implied Van Persie shouldn't be compared to Rooney and Suarez cause there actual strikers, when Suarez is more of a wing forward and Rooney is the same type of player as Van Persie. Both players could play in the hole or at the top by themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benicio del Toney Posted October 24, 2011 Report Share Posted October 24, 2011 Only thing with RVP is he has been great in the last year but his career has been stop and start mostly. For that reason I would rather Rooney. Suarez and Forlan are the most dangerous strike partnership in football today so Suarez has to get a lot of credit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Im Broke Posted October 24, 2011 Report Share Posted October 24, 2011 Porchy, by all means I'm with you when it comes to having players being footballers first, athletes second but the way you dismiss athleticism & specialist players i.e. poachers, dedicated ball-winners, etc isn't good. And not sure if Suarez >>> RVP TBH. What is good about watching a guy sprint past another a guy( I rather watch a 100m race)? My second biggest pet hate in Football are guys who offer nada but goals then get called a world class footballer in the process I fully understand these type of guys are needed in football so a team can function but FFS aleast have a little bit of touch,technique,vision to go with your athletic abilities and poaching/water carrying / My arguement for Suarez over RVP Movement Both footed(I know RVP has made a little improvement on his right) Versatile Work Rate Dribbling Van Persies right foot is better than Suarez left foot. You took into consideration dribbling and work rate, yet you didn't take into consideration touch and finishing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Portuguese Posted October 24, 2011 Report Share Posted October 24, 2011 RVP is still unproven outside the Prem due to injuries. That's the main reason why I always LOL when I hear this RVP is WC talk on here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Im Broke Posted October 24, 2011 Report Share Posted October 24, 2011 Ok lets stop this right here. In terms of technique RVP over almost anyone bar certain man like KAKA. Rooney cannot stand next to RVP when it comes to technical ability. I kept on reading until you mentioned Kaka Kaka has very good technique but it's no way up there and never has been. IMO Kaka when he was on top of his game he relied on pace more than technique! RVP is better than Rooney technically but all round Rooney>>RVP that's what this arguement is about Your confusing me what does this mean? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Im Broke Posted October 24, 2011 Report Share Posted October 24, 2011 RVP is still unproven outside the Prem due to injuries. That's the main reason why I always LOL when I hear this RVP is WC talk on here What has Rooney done outside the prem, not a lot bar a decent tournament when he was 18. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Portuguese Posted October 24, 2011 Report Share Posted October 24, 2011 Porchy, by all means I'm with you when it comes to having players being footballers first, athletes second but the way you dismiss athleticism & specialist players i.e. poachers, dedicated ball-winners, etc isn't good. And not sure if Suarez >>> RVP TBH. What is good about watching a guy sprint past another a guy( I rather watch a 100m race)? My second biggest pet hate in Football are guys who offer nada but goals then get called a world class footballer in the process I fully understand these type of guys are needed in football so a team can function but FFS aleast have a little bit of touch,technique,vision to go with your athletic abilities and poaching/water carrying / My arguement for Suarez over RVP Movement Both footed(I know RVP has made a little improvement on his right) Versatile Work Rate Dribbling Van Persies right foot is better than Suarez left foot. You took into consideration dribbling and work rate, yet you didn't take into consideration touch and finishing? RVP is the better finisher but when it comes to touch they are equal IMO / Yet to see RVP do this with his right foot http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omtOYThwljQ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michel Kane Posted October 24, 2011 Report Share Posted October 24, 2011 RVP isnt' even a striker, if Arsenal weren't soo shit he wouldnt play there done alright so far, but comparisons with people like Rooney and Suarez is a step too far imo / porchy would probs know, but he played some of his best stuff @ Feyenoord in that position just behind the front 2/3? How is he not a striker? Football isn't as rigid as you're implying & RVP has fully become a complete forward. Scores goals like a poacher, creates like a playmaker. And you really tryna imply Rooney & Suarez are streaks ahead of man like RVP? Fuck off. Porchy, by all means I'm with you when it comes to having players being footballers first, athletes second but the way you dismiss athleticism & specialist players i.e. poachers, dedicated ball-winners, etc isn't good. And not sure if Suarez >>> RVP TBH. What is good about watching a guy sprint past another a guy( I rather watch a 100m race)? My second biggest pet hate in Football are guys who offer nada but goals then get called a world class footballer in the process I fully understand these type of guys are needed in football so a team can function but FFS aleast have a little bit of touch,technique,vision to go with your athletic abilities and poaching/water carrying / My arguement for Suarez over RVP Movement Both footed(I know RVP has made a little improvement on his right) Versatile Work Rate Dribbling I think you're understating the mental & tactical qualities needed for players who excel in these roles. It isn't just about pace but ridiculous movement & anticipation. That's why CR7 >>>>> & TBH, I don't think enough credit is given to how much he's improved creatively speaking since he's been at Madrid. / RVP is FULLY both-footed, don't piss me off. His movement if anything surpasses Suarez, don't be fooled by all that scurrying around from the Uruguayan. Just because a player doesn't a lot of ground, doesn't mean to say he's still not finding the right space. Think about it. To be able to find space to link up play & still get such a high & varied amount of goals is evidence of this. I'd argue that RVP is versatile however not as productive from wide areas only because in the modern game, it's a pre-requisite for wide players to have a certain level of dynamism which isn't something you should take away from RVP IMO. Work-rate I'll give you, but I link that to Suarez being a better athlete TBH. Dribbling, hmmmm, Suarez has quicker feet but RVP's dribbling is quite accurate & his close control/1st touch >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Suarez 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badman Posted October 24, 2011 Report Share Posted October 24, 2011 Cannot even engage in these kind of discussions im going to bed 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Portuguese Posted October 24, 2011 Report Share Posted October 24, 2011 Ok lets stop this right here. In terms of technique RVP over almost anyone bar certain man like KAKA. Rooney cannot stand next to RVP when it comes to technical ability. I kept on reading until you mentioned Kaka Kaka has very good technique but it's no way up there and never has been. IMO Kaka when he was on top of his game he relied on pace more than technique! RVP is better than Rooney technically but all round Rooney>>RVP that's what this arguement is about Your confusing me what does this mean? terms of first touch RVP is better than Rooney but you look at both of their all round game then Rooney is clearly better / Rooney has actually excelled in UCL knock-out stages Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Im Broke Posted October 24, 2011 Report Share Posted October 24, 2011 Porchy, by all means I'm with you when it comes to having players being footballers first, athletes second but the way you dismiss athleticism & specialist players i.e. poachers, dedicated ball-winners, etc isn't good. And not sure if Suarez >>> RVP TBH. What is good about watching a guy sprint past another a guy( I rather watch a 100m race)? My second biggest pet hate in Football are guys who offer nada but goals then get called a world class footballer in the process I fully understand these type of guys are needed in football so a team can function but FFS aleast have a little bit of touch,technique,vision to go with your athletic abilities and poaching/water carrying / My arguement for Suarez over RVP Movement Both footed(I know RVP has made a little improvement on his right) Versatile Work Rate Dribbling Van Persies right foot is better than Suarez left foot. You took into consideration dribbling and work rate, yet you didn't take into consideration touch and finishing? RVP is the better finisher but when it comes to touch they are equal IMO / Yet to see RVP do this with his right foot http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omtOYThwljQ Lol joke. Sorry Suarez is an excellent player and he is better than Van Persie in a lot of things, but his touch is not as good as Van Persies, no way in hell. Did you see the chip the other day by Van Persie? or his goal against Inter Milan in pre season. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michel Kane Posted October 24, 2011 Report Share Posted October 24, 2011 Porchy, by all means I'm with you when it comes to having players being footballers first, athletes second but the way you dismiss athleticism & specialist players i.e. poachers, dedicated ball-winners, etc isn't good. And not sure if Suarez >>> RVP TBH. Why do you consider Rooney better than Van Persie? I feel that his athleticism is what sets him apart. Defensively, more adept too. Marginal, but still. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MEIRELES. Posted October 24, 2011 Report Share Posted October 24, 2011 LOLOLOLOLOLOLLOOLOLLOLOOLOLLOLO RVP better than Suarez? LOOLOLOLOLOLLO Yes MSN in 2001. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Portuguese Posted October 24, 2011 Report Share Posted October 24, 2011 RVP isnt' even a striker, if Arsenal weren't soo shit he wouldnt play there done alright so far, but comparisons with people like Rooney and Suarez is a step too far imo / porchy would probs know, but he played some of his best stuff @ Feyenoord in that position just behind the front 2/3? How is he not a striker? Football isn't as rigid as you're implying & RVP has fully become a complete forward. Scores goals like a poacher, creates like a playmaker. And you really tryna imply Rooney & Suarez are streaks ahead of man like RVP? Fuck off. Porchy, by all means I'm with you when it comes to having players being footballers first, athletes second but the way you dismiss athleticism & specialist players i.e. poachers, dedicated ball-winners, etc isn't good. And not sure if Suarez >>> RVP TBH. What is good about watching a guy sprint past another a guy( I rather watch a 100m race)? My second biggest pet hate in Football are guys who offer nada but goals then get called a world class footballer in the process I fully understand these type of guys are needed in football so a team can function but FFS aleast have a little bit of touch,technique,vision to go with your athletic abilities and poaching/water carrying / My arguement for Suarez over RVP Movement Both footed(I know RVP has made a little improvement on his right) Versatile Work Rate Dribbling I think you're understating the mental & tactical qualities needed for players who excel in these roles. It isn't just about pace but ridiculous movement & anticipation. That's why CR7 >>>>> & TBH, I don't think enough credit is given to how much he's improved creatively speaking since he's been at Madrid. / RVP is FULLY both-footed, don't piss me off. His movement if anything surpasses Suarez, don't be fooled by all that scurrying around from the Uruguayan. Just because a player doesn't a lot of ground, doesn't mean to say he's still not finding the right space. Think about it. To be able to find space to link up play & still get such a high & varied amount of goals is evidence of this. I'd argue that RVP is versatile however not as productive from wide areas only because in the modern game, it's a pre-requisite for wide players to have a certain level of dynamism which isn't something you should take away from RVP IMO. Work-rate I'll give you, but I link that to Suarez being a better athlete TBH. Dribbling, hmmmm, Suarez has quicker feet but RVP's dribbling is quite accurate & his close control/1st touch >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Suarez CR doesn't deserve credit as a creative force based on games against Espanyol/Betis. I fully appreciate his movement/pace but as a pure footballer he is very good but no way one of the best in world football. / I need to see RVP use his right more before I can seriously acknowledge he is two footed. If you look at it there is so many one footed players not enough two footed players on this planet! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Im Broke Posted October 24, 2011 Report Share Posted October 24, 2011 Ok lets stop this right here. In terms of technique RVP over almost anyone bar certain man like KAKA. Rooney cannot stand next to RVP when it comes to technical ability. I kept on reading until you mentioned Kaka Kaka has very good technique but it's no way up there and never has been. IMO Kaka when he was on top of his game he relied on pace more than technique! RVP is better than Rooney technically but all round Rooney>>RVP that's what this arguement is about Your confusing me what does this mean? terms of first touch RVP is better than Rooney but you look at both of their all round game then Rooney is clearly better / Rooney has actually excelled in UCL knock-out stages Really? Rooney and Van Persie have made a similar impact in the Champions League tbh, neither have set the world alight with their displays. You still haven't explained how Rooneys all round game is better? Them crossfield Hollywood passes must be fooling you, i've never seen Rooney give a pass like Van Persie did a couple times last year away to Bolton, one was to Nasri can't remember which player the other one was tom, maybe Arsenal fans can enlighten me. Rooney has good range in his passing, but he doesn't have the creativity to split teams open with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michel Kane Posted October 24, 2011 Report Share Posted October 24, 2011 Bruv, if there's one thing I don't want to hear from ANYONE, is that RVP hasn't got a right-foot. The chocolate leg >>>>>>>>>> 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michel Kane Posted October 24, 2011 Report Share Posted October 24, 2011 @ I'm Broke Rooney was CARVING teams open when SAF when 4-4-1-1 in the latter stages of last season. The link-up play with Hernandez, Nani & Giggs at times was nothing short of enthralling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Portuguese Posted October 24, 2011 Report Share Posted October 24, 2011 Ok lets stop this right here. In terms of technique RVP over almost anyone bar certain man like KAKA. Rooney cannot stand next to RVP when it comes to technical ability. I kept on reading until you mentioned Kaka Kaka has very good technique but it's no way up there and never has been. IMO Kaka when he was on top of his game he relied on pace more than technique! RVP is better than Rooney technically but all round Rooney>>RVP that's what this arguement is about Your confusing me what does this mean? terms of first touch RVP is better than Rooney but you look at both of their all round game then Rooney is clearly better / Rooney has actually excelled in UCL knock-out stages Really? Rooney and Van Persie have made a similar impact in the Champions League tbh, neither have set the world alight with their displays. You still haven't explained how Rooneys all round game is better? Them crossfield Hollywood passes must be fooling you, i've never seen Rooney give a pass like Van Persie did a couple times last year away to Bolton, one was to Nasri can't remember which player the other one was tom, maybe Arsenal fans can enlighten me. Rooney has good range in his passing, but he doesn't have the creativity to split teams open with it. Put this way if I was Pep or Mourinho I would take Rooney over RVP Rooney's vision is seriously under rated so is his overall technical abilities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Im Broke Posted October 24, 2011 Report Share Posted October 24, 2011 RVP isnt' even a striker, if Arsenal weren't soo shit he wouldnt play there done alright so far, but comparisons with people like Rooney and Suarez is a step too far imo / porchy would probs know, but he played some of his best stuff @ Feyenoord in that position just behind the front 2/3? How is he not a striker? Football isn't as rigid as you're implying & RVP has fully become a complete forward. Scores goals like a poacher, creates like a playmaker. And you really tryna imply Rooney & Suarez are streaks ahead of man like RVP? Fuck off. Porchy, by all means I'm with you when it comes to having players being footballers first, athletes second but the way you dismiss athleticism & specialist players i.e. poachers, dedicated ball-winners, etc isn't good. And not sure if Suarez >>> RVP TBH. What is good about watching a guy sprint past another a guy( I rather watch a 100m race)? My second biggest pet hate in Football are guys who offer nada but goals then get called a world class footballer in the process I fully understand these type of guys are needed in football so a team can function but FFS aleast have a little bit of touch,technique,vision to go with your athletic abilities and poaching/water carrying / My arguement for Suarez over RVP Movement Both footed(I know RVP has made a little improvement on his right) Versatile Work Rate Dribbling I think you're understating the mental & tactical qualities needed for players who excel in these roles. It isn't just about pace but ridiculous movement & anticipation. That's why CR7 >>>>> & TBH, I don't think enough credit is given to how much he's improved creatively speaking since he's been at Madrid. / RVP is FULLY both-footed, don't piss me off. His movement if anything surpasses Suarez, don't be fooled by all that scurrying around from the Uruguayan. Just because a player doesn't a lot of ground, doesn't mean to say he's still not finding the right space. Think about it. To be able to find space to link up play & still get such a high & varied amount of goals is evidence of this. I'd argue that RVP is versatile however not as productive from wide areas only because in the modern game, it's a pre-requisite for wide players to have a certain level of dynamism which isn't something you should take away from RVP IMO. Work-rate I'll give you, but I link that to Suarez being a better athlete TBH. Dribbling, hmmmm, Suarez has quicker feet but RVP's dribbling is quite accurate & his close control/1st touch >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Suarez CR doesn't deserve credit as a creative force based on games against Espanyol/Betis. I fully appreciate his movement/pace but as a pure footballer he is very good but no way one of the best in world football. / I need to see RVP use his right more before I can seriously acknowledge he is two footed. If you look at it there is so many one footed players not enough two footed players on this planet! Have you ever tried to chip a ball with your weaker foot? One of the hardest things as a footballer to do, because you actually have to control it and it takes a lot of skil to do with your strong foot let alone your weaker foot. I've got away with smashing 25 yard shots into the corner with my left foot by using the balls momentum and simply swinging my foot, but perfecting a chip like Van Persie did last week i've never managed to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michel Kane Posted October 24, 2011 Report Share Posted October 24, 2011 Portugese. If you're gonna say CR7's creativity against teams like Betis & Espanyol aren't valid, then neither are players like Messi's & Iniesta's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MEIRELES. Posted October 24, 2011 Report Share Posted October 24, 2011 Just wanted to put that out there. Old times sake etc. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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