Racism In Football

[The King]

wrongthread

[Lieutenant]

Revealed: Picture that appears to show Chelsea fan making a 'monkey' gesture at United striker Welbeck

http://www.dailymail...ny-Welbeck.html

These guys kill me

[The Somalian]

Since the riots white people have been more openly racist against black people again

[The Infamous]

damien

[The Somalian]

You seen SSN 14 year olds were racially abused by parents in a kids match

Who read John Aldrige's colom what a mug

[Agony]

You seen SSN 14 year olds were racially abused by parents in a kids match

Youth team allege racist abuse

Leicester grassroots side lodge complaint over racial insults and threatening behaviour during Under 15 match

Written by Bart Chan

05/11/2012 04:35 PM

DIVERSE TEAM: Nirvana FC's Under 15 team has allegedly suffered racial abuse

NIRVANA FOOTBALL Club (NFC) has lodged a formal complaint to the football authorities and police, alleging its Under-15 team was racially abused by opposition players and parents during a match last month.

Witnesses watching the match have claimed monkey chants and gestures were directed at the NFC players as young as 14-years-old, according to club chairman Kirk Master.

The Leicester-based team predominantly comprises minority players from the black and Asian communities.

It is alleged that on October 14, parents and spectators of Blaby and Whetstone Football Club (BWFC) used grossly offensive words as “n****r” and “monkey”, while threats of physical violence were made after the game, with one spectator entering the field of play to confront NFC players.

Master told The Voice: “At this moment I am disgusted with what I have heard from those in attendance and want some immediate action taking.

“The club have held an emergency meeting to discuss the matter, as we as a club are not under any circumstances going to allow this behaviour to occur against our players, parents or any other BME person city-wide.

“The incident has been reported to Leicestershire County FA, the national FA, Kick It Out, and the police, and we also reported it to the Race Equality Council in Leicester,” he added.

Master said only the county FA had acknowledged its complaint to date.

NFC, which celebrates its 30th anniversary this year, was conceived as part of an inner city youth organisation known as Red Star.

“The incident that occurred bears parallels to the events experienced by England Under 21s against Serbia, at a grassroots level,” said the chairman.

“Unfortunately, this is not the first incident with them and our club – and other black clubs involved in the city, but this is the pinnacle of all the activity that has gone on previously.”

Chief executive of Leicestershire County FA Keith Murdoch told The Voice: “We have had a complaint and we are investigating that complaint.

“As I am going to be making the decision on what action to take, it would be inappropriate to make any comment on the incident.

“We have a set of laws of the game and the conduct of what we expect, and we have specific charges that can be applied. The question would be, have any of the rules be broken, if they have been broken then I do an assessment of which one and then I would issue the charge against that,” Murdoch added.

When contacted by The Voice, BWFC chairman Tony Galway acknowledged he was aware of the incident and said: "No comment."

For the full story get this week's issue of The Voice.

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Posted on: 05/11/2012 04:35 PM

http://www.voice-onl...ge-racist-abuse

[Rsonist]

Tottenham have defended their supporters after the Society of Black Lawyers threatened to make a complaint to police over claims that anti-Semitic abuse is taking place at White Hart Lane.

Although widely recognised as an insult, some Spurs fans proudly call themselves "Yids" or "Yiddos" and chant "Yid army" at games as an act of defiance to those who discriminate against the club's large Jewish following.

Peter Herbert, who chairs the Society of Black Lawyers, believes this is not acceptable. He said: "It does not make a difference if it is Tottenham fans doing the chants or away fans – if they continue to do it we will report it to the police. There has to be zero tolerance and if that catches out Spurs then so be it."

Asked about Jewish fans themselves singing the chant, he said: "That's not acceptable either."

He said: "If neither Tottenham FC nor the FA are willing to take a stand then SBL will report the matter to the Metropolitan Police Service for investigation and, if necessary, prosecution. The report will be made if this behaviour does not cease by 20 November. We will have monitors in attendance to observe what occurs."

Spurs responded to Herbert's claims by defending their fans and pointing out that their fans have in the past been subjected to taunts about the Holocaust.

"Our position on this topic is very clear," a Tottenham statement read. "The club does not tolerate any form of racist or abusive chanting. Our guiding principle in respect of the 'Y-word' is based on the point of law itself – the distinguishing factor is the intent with which it is used – if it is used with the deliberate intention to cause offence. This has been the basis of prosecutions of fans of other teams to date.

"Our fans adopted the chant as a defence mechanism in order to own the term and thereby deflect anti-Semitic abuse. They do not use the term to others to cause any offence, they use it a chant amongst themselves.

"The club believes that real anti-Semitic abuse such as hissing to simulate the noise of gas chambers is the real evil and the real offence. We believe this is the area that requires a determined and concerted effort from all parties and where we seek greater support to eradicate."

This is what happens when pricks who know nothing about the game get involved. It will only get worse

[Kompressor]

In fairness there are still a fair few Jewish Spurs supporters and Jewish supporters of other teams who don't like the chant.

But I see your point.

[Rsonist]

I personally know 2 Jewish Spurs fans who have never used the word and dont like its use at all, but see why it is used. On the other hand i also know Jewish Spurs fans who use the term themselves and again have no problem with it.

And dont even start me on that f*ckin mong David Baddiel.

Because Tottenham supporters self-identify as Yids, he claims it causes anti-Semitic chants from Chelsea fans which make him, as a Jewish Chelsea fan feel very uncomfortable. However, it seems to me perverse to take action against Tottenham supporters for this when the abuse is entirely from the Chelsea bigots. Surely the problem is not with our chants but with the anti-Semites in the Chelsea end who think it's acceptable to make the sound of gas taps, and other assorted offensive chants. If it gets to the stage where Tottenham supporters are removed from grounds for using the word "Yid" to try and prevent anti-Semitic abuse coming from the Chelsea end (or Leeds, or City, or Arsenal, or West Ham etc.), then the world really has gone mad.

[TF S4DK]

He aint going away thats for sure.

[Rsonist]

Tottenham fans continue controversial chanting

A section of Tottenham fans have responded to calls for them to end alleged anti-Semitic chants by singing "we sing what we want".

Peter Herbert, who chairs the Society of Black Lawyers (SBL), has said he will report chants to police if no action is taken by 20 November.

Some Spurs fans refer to themselves as the "Yid Army", a reference to the club's Jewish supporters.

Chants continued during Thursday's 3-1 Europa League win over Maribor.

Herbert said: "Why on earth do they think it is acceptable?"

The term is used in a chant by some fans at White Hart Lane and can often be seen on flags and banners at the ground.

However the SBL insisted on Wednesday this must end.

Herbert said: "If the fans wish to continue, if Tottenham wishes to continue, then we will use every means at our disposal to make sure they do get the message which many in the Jewish community have already told us is unacceptable.

"Fans are there to watch football and we are actually deeply saddened that fans are more concerned with what they chant than, in a sense, the game they are supposed to be watching."

Tottenham responded to the SBL's initial call on Wednesday by saying "real anti-Semitic abuse, such as hissing to simulate the noise of gas chambers, is the real evil and the real offence".

The club continued: "Our fans adopted the chant as a defence mechanism in order to own the term and thereby deflect anti-Semitic abuse. Our position on this topic is very clear. The club does not tolerate any form of racist or abusive chanting.

"Our guiding principle in respect of the 'Y-word' is based on the point of law itself - the distinguishing factor is the intent with which it is used, ie if it is used with the deliberate intention to cause offence. This has been the basis of prosecutions of fans of other teams to date.

"They do not use the term to others to cause any offence, they use it a chant among themselves. "

But Herbert said: "What we are doing is exposing the rather nasty underbelly of racism in British sport and this particular aspect of British sport, football, which is a complete contrast to what you had at the Olympics.

"If you had a section of the crowd at the Olympics chanting this do you think it would be tolerated?

"It would be closed down immediately, so I don't understand why something [that] would be unacceptable in August somehow becomes

plausible and acceptable because it moves up to a football ground, unless you go with the intelligence in a sense of a people who openly couldn't care less about the feelings of what they say and the impact on others."

Oldham footballer Dean Furman, who is Jewish, has told BBC Sport there should be a "zero tolerance" approach and fans using the chant should be immediately thrown out of stadiums.

But Piara Powar, executive director of the Football Against Racism in Europe organisation, said: "I think this is where Peter Herbert and the Society of Black Lawyers are naive. They perhaps don't know football."

This Herbert guy is a f*ckin clown

[Kompressor]

I understand why Spurs fans chant it, (and for the record agree with the sentiment that's see's it chanted in defiance to the racist taunts spurs fans have suffered over the years)

But, how many people does it take to be offended by something before it becomes offensive?

A few years ago I waiting for the tube at Kings cross to go carnival with my brothers and my Dad, cut a long story short this group of older guys, (about 18/19) were talking and using the N word freely almost on

A every other sentence basis, now we were down there for a while waiting for the train and after about 3 minutes of hearing this word countless times my Dad breaks of from our convo and asks these guys to stop using the word as he regardless of what Hip hop/musical culture says he doesn't go in for the whole reclaiming of the word stuff and finds it a horrible and offensive word,

These guys understanding that and being respectful didn't say it again (at least till when we were out of ear shot)

My point is, I know why Spurs fans do it, we know it's not meant to be racially offensive but if people from a particular race are offended by it does that now make it racially offensive, after all racial offense is in the ear or the "beholder" (I know that doesn't fit here but I can't think of anything else)

Disclaimer, I don't champion these publicity whores looking for their 10 minutes of fame, but even a broken clock will point you in a valid direction twice a day.

[Kompressor]

The story in my post didn't actually happen, but I used it to illustrate a point, over the years my Dad has though made it clear that the N word isn't something he tolerates regardless of the race of the person saying it and I've witnessed him calling people out on it.

To clarify for those who are unsure I am black, my Dad is also black.

[Rsonist]

MET have said they wont take any action on yid chanting

The Black Lawyers muppets have said that the 20th November deadline still stands...

And who do we have first game after that, peace and love merchants West Ham at home

[Kompressor]

unless the FA can prove that they lied, and deliberately tried to deceive, it'd be very hard to take any definitive action against them due to the nature of the complaint,

the fact that it's Chelsea might make it easier though.

[Rsonist]

Unlucky Herbert you f*ckin mug

f*ck Chelsea

[stacksbranning]

I think chelsea should be docked points for this tbh because it seems like obi mikel is being used as a pawn in a game of chess . From what i have read he never heard anything

[Kompressor]

his doing what he set out to do, make a few soundbites for the media, become somewhat of a known name, and promote his society,

he's taken advantage of situations and twisted them to suit his own means.

intelligent prick

[TF S4DK]

As I said, Herbert is here to stay...

[Thizz]