working for such a financial institution such as SantanderÂ
you will be directly affected if we leaveÂ
could end up losing your jobÂ
Why would my job be at risk?
Santander will continue to operate over here regardless of the decision..
My role cant be performed from Spain due to licencing laws
if they could employ a Spaniard with excellent English verbal & written skills, with a good grasp of British licencing and leasing legislation,  to perform this role from here, they already would have....
I'm guessing a relocation package for one of their nationals would end up being far more costly
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Surely a Brexit would make it harder for them to replace me with someone from the EU?
I may be mistaken, but what am I not seeing here? I genuinely want to be enlightened on the benefits of membership
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I'm undecided, but leaning towards a Leave vote as noone seems to be able to provide a simple answer for why I should choose the other side. Being able to travel freely around Europe is not a selling point for me whatsoever. I used to live and work in Asia, where I would regularly have to apply for a Visa to visit or work anywhere.....It's just a form....
How many true British industries exist within england that are not dependant on foreign raw materials to exist as a trade? (eg BP and oil sourced from global regions and oil pricing dictated by the middle east)
How many of the major big business are just based here as operation hubs but owned by foreigners and just employ uk workers to turn the cogs (eg Land Rover/Jaguar, HSBC). And still ultimatlely hire cheap labour which tends to be immigrants as british folk dont like to take up the cleaning jobs or low wage and want to progress the career ladder, but to that immigrant, thats big wages intially until reality kicks in.
What natural resources has england got in abundance (quick google search returns little), like the minerals in the ground which power mobile phones and gadgets as well as everyday functional items and luxury goods? (which typically come from countries in Africa, who receive a fraction profit of the final piece product sold on the high street, yet without them the product couldnt exist, yet remains poorest in the equation)
Alot of the companies we work for tend to have HQ or private owners based out of the uk to avoid heavy uk taxation charges, but place operational distribution hubs or stores like UPS/McDonalds/Amazon/Apple/Starbucks to employ basic wages earners to turn the wheel or push a button.
The government have been allowing this long before any eu referendum, and back when Cameron and Boris as best pals of the same poltical party and school mates in eaton or whatever toff establishment they went too. Now they have the country split as if they're bitter rivals. Yet have been all up in the EU ass for the longest of time. (heathrow airport) largest in uk is owned by a EU ruled Spanish company called "Ferrovial" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferrovial
Immigration issue which has been hijacked as coded xenophobia terminology in the media and opens up the narrative for racially based sentiments to fly out. When uk has one of the strongest currency's globally. It's natural that humans in this system of capitlism, will gravitate to where the money is, and where the money is there is relative stability in terms of non warzone or civil conflict. (which 9/10 the british have had a hand in f*cking up to cause destablisation to keep its currency and economy strong and attractive and alluring for people to flock too). (Just look at Dubai in the heart of the middle east conflict zones but enjoys relative peace because its wealth attracts people to it for their share of the money pie)
Cameron who is backing stay in the EU, is recognition that Britain and its over inflated pound and glory days are done, but this was known long time ago as businesses and various industries like coal and steel and car manufacturing like Land Rover who are owned by Indian company (TATA) are dead and have been sold off abroad to keep the banks happy.
The Labour party are the same too.
Britains pound is in decline and only way the elites see to save it is merge with EU as a super unit on the global stage. As China makes serious grounds to take over as the new global super power and start calling shots and sanctions or even war.
Not even voting myself, just sitting back munching popcorn and observing the true colours of various people here at work as bark on about immigration, the media and society in general. Waste of time, it's all going to EU in somewway or another. The banks will get want they want.
One of the biggest political decisions of our lives and you are relying on a forum to sway you?Â
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There are loads of reputable and independent studies presenting the benefits of a) remaining b)Â Â being in the EU. Isn't any for the leave campaign apparently (according to leave)Â But Gambino may have produced one?Â
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Economicist have a 20 page pdf for example.Â
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Santander chief executive signed a letter saying that leaving the EU will deter investment, threaten jobs and put the economy at risk.Â
Santander chairman also said "One cannot expect Brexit not to have any consequences", the banker said, adding that issues such as immigration, sustainable growth and youth unemployment could all be dealt with better by the UK and Europe remaining together.
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One of the biggest political decisions of our lives and you are relying on a forum to sway you?Â
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There are loads of reputable and independent studies presenting the benefits of a) remaining b)Â Â being in the EU. Isn't any for the leave campaign apparently (according to leave)Â But Gambino may have produced one?Â
True to be honest........ Gonna find stories here there and everywhere. Ana Botin said Santander are committed to the UK regardless of a Brexit or not. It's back and forward with everything. Doesn't sound like he is relying on a Forum though. Sounds like he's seen the debates and agrees with Leave and nobody has convinced him differently yet. So he's discussing it on here.Â
Would things be this way and the country so divided had the EU not been constantly on this power grab and ever closer union.
One of the biggest political decisions of our lives and you are relying on a forum to sway you?Â
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Not entirely, but people on here live similar lives to me, so i'm interested to see how they are voting and the reasons for their decision....
Perhaps naively, I assumed that a few people (or at least one person) have already wrestled with this decision and have some good, relate-able insight that they could share that I could use to help me come to my final decision.
I've watched loads of TV debates, read loads of articles but still don't feel like im in a confident enough position to make a decision i'd be entirely happy with..
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So the views of people on this forum, + all other sources i've listed + my personal thoughts, feelings & circumstances should help me eventually come to a considered decision that i can stand by...
Doesn't sound like he is relying on a Forum though. Sounds like he's seen the debates and agrees with Leave and nobody has convinced him differently yet. So he's discussing it on here.Â
I'm with Ephren, my vote has swayed a couple times. A vote for in is a solid mandate that things should stay the same, fuckery included and all. Â The EU has also postponed certain plans until after the vote, which just tells you what kind of institution it is. Vote out and no one has a firm clue what will happen, Â it's an emotional vote and who plans their future and kids futures seriously with emotions? But one thing for sure is power is clawed back...but this power is for who's benefit, when has it been for the masses?Â
I'm usually decided on things but this has torn me.Â
The EU has also postponed certain plans until after the vote, which just tells you what kind of institution it is.
Indeed. The Remain camp have constantly told us this week do not believe the stories and that Turkey will not be joining the EU. They are telling us this whilst Cameron is pumping billions of British money into pushing and prepping for Turkey to join up. Now we've been told today that they are opening membership talks with Turkey again on June 30th only 7 days after the referendum.
It doesn't surprise me if people worry about the unknown when OUR politicians who are supposed to represent us and manage the country are trying to paint a false picture of doom and gloom if we leave. Telling the 5th biggest economy in the world we are not good enough and not strong enough to handle our own affairs, meanwhile much smaller nations are thriving. I think it's disgusting the way they have belittled their own Nation and people.
PMSL. Cameron has been saying today he will get round the table and renegotiate better deals for us if we remain and now this guys came out the same day and deaded that...
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Lol.
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Them headlines there.
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That would probably Sway some peoples votes
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what do you do for a living(if i may ask)
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No probs...I do SAM & HAM for Santander
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working for such a financial institution such as SantanderÂ
you will be directly affected if we leaveÂ
could end up losing your jobÂ
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Why would my job be at risk?
Santander will continue to operate over here regardless of the decision..
My role cant be performed from Spain due to licencing laws
if they could employ a Spaniard with excellent English verbal & written skills, with a good grasp of British licencing and leasing legislation,  to perform this role from here, they already would have....
I'm guessing a relocation package for one of their nationals would end up being far more costly
Â
Surely a Brexit would make it harder for them to replace me with someone from the EU?
I may be mistaken, but what am I not seeing here? I genuinely want to be enlightened on the benefits of membership
Â
I'm undecided, but leaning towards a Leave vote as noone seems to be able to provide a simple answer for why I should choose the other side. Being able to travel freely around Europe is not a selling point for me whatsoever. I used to live and work in Asia, where I would regularly have to apply for a Visa to visit or work anywhere.....It's just a form....
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Got to give it to Boris, ended it for the remain camp
How can you say you are proud to be English but want to be dictated but foreigners
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Ana Botin, Chairman of Santander was one of the 9 closest business advisors to Cameron who refused to sign his letter backing membership of the EU.
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Is there a source for this pls bro?
This contradicts the comms from other senior figures that they sent us.....would be really good to read
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I just did a quick search, and could only find stuff that shows Ana is supporting Dave
http://www.typicallyspanish.com/news-spain/national/Ana_Bot_n_will_campaign_with_David_Cameron_against_Brexit.shtml
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Whoooops..... Le Double
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Classic division games from the politcal elite.
How many true British industries exist within england that are not dependant on foreign raw materials to exist as a trade? (eg BP and oil sourced from global regions and oil pricing dictated by the middle east)
How many of the major big business are just based here as operation hubs but owned by foreigners and just employ uk workers to turn the cogs (eg Land Rover/Jaguar, HSBC). And still ultimatlely hire cheap labour which tends to be immigrants as british folk dont like to take up the cleaning jobs or low wage and want to progress the career ladder, but to that immigrant, thats big wages intially until reality kicks in.
What natural resources has england got in abundance (quick google search returns little), like the minerals in the ground which power mobile phones and gadgets as well as everyday functional items and luxury goods? (which typically come from countries in Africa, who receive a fraction profit of the final piece product sold on the high street, yet without them the product couldnt exist, yet remains poorest in the equation)
Alot of the companies we work for tend to have HQ or private owners based out of the uk to avoid heavy uk taxation charges, but place operational distribution hubs or stores like UPS/McDonalds/Amazon/Apple/Starbucks to employ basic wages earners to turn the wheel or push a button.
The government have been allowing this long before any eu referendum, and back when Cameron and Boris as best pals of the same poltical party and school mates in eaton or whatever toff establishment they went too. Now they have the country split as if they're bitter rivals. Yet have been all up in the EU ass for the longest of time. (heathrow airport) largest in uk is owned by a EU ruled Spanish company called "Ferrovial" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferrovial
Immigration issue which has been hijacked as coded xenophobia terminology in the media and opens up the narrative for racially based sentiments to fly out. When uk has one of the strongest currency's globally. It's natural that humans in this system of capitlism, will gravitate to where the money is, and where the money is there is relative stability in terms of non warzone or civil conflict. (which 9/10 the british have had a hand in f*cking up to cause destablisation to keep its currency and economy strong and attractive and alluring for people to flock too). (Just look at Dubai in the heart of the middle east conflict zones but enjoys relative peace because its wealth attracts people to it for their share of the money pie)
Cameron who is backing stay in the EU, is recognition that Britain and its over inflated pound and glory days are done, but this was known long time ago as businesses and various industries like coal and steel and car manufacturing like Land Rover who are owned by Indian company (TATA) are dead and have been sold off abroad to keep the banks happy.
The Labour party are the same too.
Britains pound is in decline and only way the elites see to save it is merge with EU as a super unit on the global stage. As China makes serious grounds to take over as the new global super power and start calling shots and sanctions or even war.
Sure I heard on a report even if Exit is the vote, governement can still veto the decision to go EU anyway if they deem best interests for governing/financial sake. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/eu-referendum-mps-may-push-to-keep-uk-in-european-single-market-despite-brexit-vote-a7067056.html
Not even voting myself, just sitting back munching popcorn and observing the true colours of various people here at work as bark on about immigration, the media and society in general. Waste of time, it's all going to EU in somewway or another. The banks will get want they want.
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One of the biggest political decisions of our lives and you are relying on a forum to sway you?Â
Â
There are loads of reputable and independent studies presenting the benefits of a) remaining b)Â Â being in the EU. Isn't any for the leave campaign apparently (according to leave)Â But Gambino may have produced one?Â
Â
Economicist have a 20 page pdf for example.Â
Â
Santander chief executive signed a letter saying that leaving the EU will deter investment, threaten jobs and put the economy at risk.Â
Santander chairman also said "One cannot expect Brexit not to have any consequences", the banker said, adding that issues such as immigration, sustainable growth and youth unemployment could all be dealt with better by the UK and Europe remaining together.
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On Sky News today mate lol http://news.sky.com/story/1715733/camerons-business-aides-split-over-eu-letter2 colleagues had to sign instead.
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True to be honest........ Gonna find stories here there and everywhere. Ana Botin said Santander are committed to the UK regardless of a Brexit or not. It's back and forward with everything. Doesn't sound like he is relying on a Forum though. Sounds like he's seen the debates and agrees with Leave and nobody has convinced him differently yet. So he's discussing it on here.Â
Would things be this way and the country so divided had the EU not been constantly on this power grab and ever closer union.
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Not entirely, but people on here live similar lives to me, so i'm interested to see how they are voting and the reasons for their decision....
Perhaps naively, I assumed that a few people (or at least one person) have already wrestled with this decision and have some good, relate-able insight that they could share that I could use to help me come to my final decision.
I've watched loads of TV debates, read loads of articles but still don't feel like im in a confident enough position to make a decision i'd be entirely happy with..
Â
So the views of people on this forum, + all other sources i've listed + my personal thoughts, feelings & circumstances should help me eventually come to a considered decision that i can stand by...
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I'm with Ephren, my vote has swayed a couple times. A vote for in is a solid mandate that things should stay the same, fuckery included and all. Â The EU has also postponed certain plans until after the vote, which just tells you what kind of institution it is. Vote out and no one has a firm clue what will happen, Â it's an emotional vote and who plans their future and kids futures seriously with emotions? But one thing for sure is power is clawed back...but this power is for who's benefit, when has it been for the masses?Â
I'm usually decided on things but this has torn me.Â
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Indeed. The Remain camp have constantly told us this week do not believe the stories and that Turkey will not be joining the EU. They are telling us this whilst Cameron is pumping billions of British money into pushing and prepping for Turkey to join up. Now we've been told today that they are opening membership talks with Turkey again on June 30th only 7 days after the referendum.
It doesn't surprise me if people worry about the unknown when OUR politicians who are supposed to represent us and manage the country are trying to paint a false picture of doom and gloom if we leave. Telling the 5th biggest economy in the world we are not good enough and not strong enough to handle our own affairs, meanwhile much smaller nations are thriving. I think it's disgusting the way they have belittled their own Nation and people.
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PMSL. Cameron has been saying today he will get round the table and renegotiate better deals for us if we remain and now this guys came out the same day and deaded that...
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