General Election 2017

[Platinum50]

18 minutes ago, Heero Yuy said:

No vtec but all the countries this country stood on to put us all living here in such a privledged position, i think foreign aid is the least it can give back tbh. Obvs gambs can't see beyond last 30 years and  probably thinks hard work, grit  and the british spirit made England the country it is today.

also blindly pouring money into the NHS isn't going to resolve the problems within it.

I thought foreign aid was about furthering British interests under the guise of charity? From even the conservatives weren't even willing to cut it I knew it wasn't just about helping people.

[Heero Yuy]

7 minutes ago, Platinum50 said:

I thought foreign aid was about furthering British interests under the guise of charity? From even the conservatives weren't even willing to cut it I knew it wasn't just about helping people.

The government use it as a means to have some sort of influence in said countries. But my rationale is a country that built itself through conquering and colonialism can atleast throw a meager 0.7% of it's income to countries where it may potentially make someones elses life a little better. I don't particulary think any country owes anything, but i think if it's something we can do then we should. End of the day 12bn isn't solving the nhs. And if we're gonna start picking at loose ends to make some savings then I hope they look at the 370m being spent on bucking palace for renovations too .

[Gambino]

How would it not help the NHS @Heero Yuy ? We pay over £13 Billion per year in Foreign Aid, the NHS needs £8 Billion extra a year doesn't it?

[Heero Yuy]

Because the NHS's issues aren't purely down to money. There are fundemental issues and problems that require more an endless amount of money.

[Grafter]

32 minutes ago, Platinum50 said:

I thought foreign aid was about furthering British interests under the guise of charity? From even the conservatives weren't even willing to cut it I knew it wasn't just about helping people.

@Gambino

What are your thoughts on this?

Surely u would want great Britain to maintain influence in these countries?

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Hard work and grit isnt the same as skull duggary, unfounded arrogance and wonton destruction

[Gambino]

What influence are we maintaining? You mean the kinda influence that had India mocking us at the idea of them needing the hundreds of millions we were sending them in aid. Think the Government should focus on getting their own country in order and uniting it's people first.

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That was the hard work back then, kinda world do you think they were all living in. And that doesn't really account for all their knowledge, discoveries, inventions, industrial revolutions etc etc. It's all too easy for certain guys to dismiss everything it achieved because of it's years of colonialism. Not to mention other countries and continents were involving themselves in wars, piracy and slavery etc.

[Zizouz]

Give a bit of 'aid' to a country that doesn't need it, and not long after make a huge trade/weapons deal

Swear every developed nation does this

 

[PascalMoriarty]

@Gambino your logic on how this country came to be wealthy if applied to building a house would see roof tiles on the floor and fuck all else.

[QPR Dee]

Corbyn's sacked the front benchers who voted for Chukka's single market amendment

Tories agreed to let NI women have abortions in the UK because a few of their members were gonna rebel against it, shame they didnt rebel about the NHS

[Gambino]

Well done Corbyn.

[Gambino]

19 minutes ago, PascalMoriarty said:

@Gambino your logic on how this country came to be wealthy if applied to building a house would see roof tiles on the floor and fuck all else.

What was my logic on how this country came to be wealthy then?

[Grafter]

39 minutes ago, QPR Dee said:

Corbyn's sacked the front benchers who voted for Chukka's single market amendment

Tories agreed to let NI women have abortions in the UK because a few of their members were gonna rebel against it, shame they didnt rebel about the NHS

Chukka jus tryna chuck a ting. Still salty

They were sacked as a point of order not because labour doesnt want the single market per se or at least all its benefits 

Paraphrasing tom watson

[Gambino]

 

[VENOM]

Platinum gave Gambino a good explanation but he's blinded by the words Foreign...and and which although is self explanatory..... for him the thought of aiding foreigners is so toxic in his mind but too complicated to understand the influence in foreign affairs of countries that the UK can gain that acutely amounts to a higher profile and economic prospects for the country. He's not against foreign aid because of the sinister and ironically detrimental effect on any of the countries being "Aided" bar india or China who's economic growth is now out of the clutches of the western evil without mutual destruction....there are plenty of other countries stupidly ready with their hands out to take the bait.

All these type of fools see is the word foreign. 

[Gambino]

1 minute ago, VENOM said:

western evil

[VENOM]

 a repiort by the tax  payers alliance revealed that British aid spending had done nothing to help the economic or political freedoms of people in the countries which get the cash. In fact, the investigation stated that twice as many countries lost freedoms after receiving British aid than improved their people’s political and human rights conditions.

Foreign aid is used to encourage corruption and conflict,while at the same time discouraging free enterprise:-

 

In the " confessions of a economic Hitnan "

John Perkins describes his job as the Chief Economist for the US international consulting firm Chas T. Main as to implement policies that promoted the interests of the U.S. corporatocracy (a coalition of government, banks, and corporations) while professing to alleviate poverty. He did this by convincing strategic countries to accept enormous loans for infrastructure development and to ensure that U.S. corporations got the projects (and the money) as a result. Upon default of the loans, the United States Government, World Bank, International Monetary Fund, and other U.S. dominated aid agencies then have access to the countries’ resources (especially oil) and strategic land (and are also able to instal military bases). Perkins says that international economists are in essence highly paid “Economic Hit Men” hired by international corporations.

 

 

... yes western evils

[Gambino]

And yet here I am on a forum with guys who all back the foreign aid spending......

 

 

[VENOM]

I don't back it ftr. 

[Grafter]

18 minutes ago, Gambino said:

And yet here I am on a forum with guys who all back the foreign aid spending......

 

 

My point to you was isnt this the kind of hard work an grit u were on about? 

[QPR Dee]

1 hour ago, Gambino said:

 

Corbyn has always been a eurosceptic.

there arent many on the far left who support the EU, in fact i dont think many people who identify as socialist voted yes

wouldnt expect you to know that though

[Gambino]

40 minutes ago, Grafter said:

My point to you was isnt this the kind of hard work an grit u were on about? 

Explain mate, genuinely lost on what it is you are asking me.

[Gambino]

35 minutes ago, QPR Dee said:

Corbyn has always been a eurosceptic.

there arent many on the far left who support the EU, in fact i dont think many people who identify as socialist voted yes

wouldnt expect you to know that though

You wouldn't expect me to know would you QPR. Even though you have watched me multiple times talk about how Corbyn was a Eurosceptic his whole political career and then changed his mind to act as remain when he took over Labour.......I REPEAT "MULTIPLE TIMES"

Amazing what selective memories some of you man on here have. So once again whilst you have tried to reply to Don Gambino to sound good, you end up with egg on your face.

[Grafter]

15 minutes ago, Gambino said:

Explain mate, genuinely lost on what it is you are asking me.

Nevermind