2017/18 Hot Summer

[JOHN DOE]

1 hour ago, ag. said:

And if you break down those numbers, you will probably be surprised by seeing the same ‘black’ ethnicities disproportionately represented. ‘Black’ people in England urgently need strong worthwhile representatives; the problem in England is the largest Black groups, whether Nigerian, or Jamaican, or Somali, all come from deeply dysfunctional historical backgrounds even by normal crazy standards of human history; but these groups in different ways all seem to be so deeply collectively insincere that they can never self reflect, so they blame everyone else from Whites to Arabs to Colonialism, the list is endless.

African American ghetto culture, Extroverted and status obsessed Nigerian culture, Jamaican ‘bad man’/outlaw worship stemming from the ghettoes of places like Kingston, celebration of outlaw figures but celebrating them for wrong reasons such as crack dealers and murderers instead of celebrating worthwhile things, Somali tribal fixation which they bring over to England, etc etc. all these things affect these various ‘black’ communities. These are very complex issues, and I am gradually beginning to think some ‘black’ groups will NEVER rationally discuss this subject because they are scared to open a Pandora’s Box. Black people need to embrace the real meaning of DIVERSITY not just the nonsense on the gram???

strong post 

[Drift]

Ag talking about Malis now? Rah what happened? Man used to beg them from Sheffield to Mogadishu. 

[ag.]

1 hour ago, Elementalism said:

Bruv how have you managed to catch so many negs?

Solid, solid post. But who are the representatives? I don't want anyone to represent me but me.

Respect broski.?? There’s a few idiots on here who are obsessed with ‘negging’ everything I say coz they’re a bit slow ?

by representatives, i am speaking generally; where are the Jordan Petersons in the black community? Why do we spend so much time looking at these stupid African Americans? 

I feel certain large and ‘influential’ black ethnicities in the next few years are going to be woken from the self delusion they choose to live with; as an African I am naturally empathetic to other African people from a similar background but the older I get the more I understand why older members of my own family have the views they do! I was a naive kid when I used to believe that ‘but were all black’ nonsense 

[ag.]

10 minutes ago, Drift said:

Ag talking about Malis now? Rah what happened? Man used to beg them from Sheffield to Mogadishu. 

Typical childish posts on here; I have said repeatedly that Somalis are culturally similar and different (simultaneously) to other East Africans who they share a common ancestry with such as Tutsi people. 

[kerser]

 

This is the first picture of a young man who was found shot dead in a north London graveyard.

The body of Ismail Tanrikulu, 22, was discovered near the entrance of Tottenham Cemetery just before 8am on Monday. It is understood he was ambushed after a “set up”.

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/tottenham-shooting-first-picture-of-ismail-tanrikulu-22-found-dead-in-north-london-cemetery-a3928086.html

 

[Seydou]

Sounds like a Turkish hit.

[SLEAZE BALL]

22 hours ago, JOHN DOE said:

ssssh dont speak on it 

remember you are a voyeur if you discuss this , in a discussion topic on an internet forum

Please don't try to infer you lots idol gossip for entertainment purposes is akin to any kind of genuine debate or discussion

Man was writing big big paragraphs waffling about blacks being more organised etc etc

These times the victim appears to be a turk

So the question is what are you lot basing these hot takes on, why are you making these posts and how do posts like this move a discussion about such a relevant issue forward?

[Elementalism]

10 minutes ago, Admin. said:

But black people are organised...

Are you trying to say something to me?

I made a point (still arguably valid) about the apparent organisation of the shooting and a separate one about the fact that black gangs have and will become more organised over the years. 

Don't get me confused. It was also a possibility in my mind that this was Turks/Albos.

[SLEAZE BALL]

You are the definition of a voyeur as per your historical posts in here and these ridiculous leaked telephone conversations you keep posting about the yardies

Strange strange yout

[Elementalism]

34 minutes ago, ag. said:

Respect broski.?? There’s a few idiots on here who are obsessed with ‘negging’ everything I say coz they’re a bit slow ?

by representatives, i am speaking generally; where are the Jordan Petersons in the black community? Why do we spend so much time looking at these stupid African Americans? 

I feel certain large and ‘influential’ black ethnicities in the next few years are going to be woken from the self delusion they choose to live with; as an African I am naturally empathetic to other African people from a similar background but the older I get the more I understand why older members of my own family have the views they do! I was a naive kid when I used to believe that ‘but were all black’ nonsense 

Nah man, my dad has always said that 'we' (meaning our family) are a different set of people from other Jamaicans. 

I live the same way. Every household is different. 

I agree with you about African Americans, their experience is completely separate and away from ours/mine.

 

7 minutes ago, SLEAZE BALL said:

Please don't try to infer you lots idol gossip for entertainment purposes is akin to any kind of genuine debate or discussion

Man was writing big big paragraphs waffling about blacks being more organised etc etc

These times the victim appears to be a turk

So the question is what are you lot basing these hot takes on, why are you making these posts and how do posts like this move a discussion about such a relevant issue forward?

Pussyhole.

I write 'big big' paragraphs because I have a big big head and brain, you dunce-breed. You might say things that you can't back up with data stored elsewhere in your neurons, but my brain doesn't function like that.

I am basing my 'hot takes' on the fact that there are more gangs operating drug lines outside of London these days, the CSI effect, the effect of Trident and the media openly labelling black gangs 'disorganised', the spread of memes and taboos such as 'no face, no case', 'don't ride with your phone', the popularity of rental cars and other tools and techniques to evade surveillance and much more.

You definitely, definitely can't chat to me. 

[Elementalism]

1 minute ago, Admin. said:

yh g

im openly mocking you for trying to cheerlead organised crime like its something to pop a bottle about

Who the fuck is cheerleading anything? Your take on things isn't reality. You can mock all you want lad.

I've had members of my family shot and stabbed, this isn't a joke. I can make observations about whatever I want - especially if I can back it up.

Look at the amount of 'intelligent' discussion that occurs here and you'll see why posts like mine stand out. Nobody is 'happy' about this stuff. I didn't make a thread entitled '2018 hot summer'. People come in here and type one-liners about 'dust' and worse and you think that's pushing anything forward.

[Elementalism]

14 minutes ago, SLEAZE BALL said:

You are the definition of a voyeur as per your historical posts in here and these ridiculous leaked telephone conversations you keep posting about the yardies

Strange strange yout

So hold on.

I repost content produced by others, sometimes with analysis. And I'm a 'voyeur'.

You watch my content without engaging, then recall my 'historical posts' like that isn't 20x more voyeuristic and weird. Send me a PM or something my guy, I'm approachable. 

 

[JOHN DOE]

34 minutes ago, SLEAZE BALL said:

Please don't try to infer you lots idol gossip for entertainment purposes is akin to any kind of genuine debate or discussion

Man was writing big big paragraphs waffling about blacks being more organised etc etc

These times the victim appears to be a turk

So the question is what are you lot basing these hot takes on, why are you making these posts and how do posts like this move a discussion about such a relevant issue forward?

discussion

dɪˈskʌʃ(ə)n/

noun

 

1. the action or process of talking about something in order to reach a decision or to exchange ideas.

   "the committee acts as a forum for discussion"

   • a conversation or debate about a specific topic.

[Grafter]

49 minutes ago, SLEAZE BALL said:

You are the definition of a voyeur as per your historical posts in here and these ridiculous leaked telephone conversations you keep posting about the yardies

Strange strange yout

Its disturbing

[Elementalism]

Basically this is the problem we have. Any discussions that take place about our problems become slanging matches and a space to reheat old beef. @Admin. can sideline the discussion and I can get called weird by however many of you, but I'm not the one who is actually causing these 'hot summers' and 'cold winters'. I don't run UDN, I'm not one of the Youtube animal accounts, I'm not a drill fan who follows scores.

The conversations that are being had are being taken over by people who have no idea about the issues, the culture, the social nuances or the history. Similarly, the conflicts are being taken up by equally clueless participants who genuinely do possess a weird fascination with criminal lifestyles and badness.

To be honest, a part of me knows that the level of discussion I'm inviting is probably a few notches above most of you man, it can get academic and technical and I don't know how many of you on here are specialised enough to understand. I see gems from certain people, @Restrictive and @ag. and I feel that VIP2 is one of the few spaces where change could begin. Most platforms restrict you to 200 characters or less with a 'see more' button nobody presses.

The information I collect is and was always intended for academic scrutiny, @SLEAZE BALL hasn't exactly offered any of that yet.

4 minutes ago, Grafter said:

Its disturbing

Explain how, given that I didn't create any of the content I repost

Is it more disturbing than @SLEAZE BALL aka Trap God self-describing himself as a sociopath before getting ethered. 

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Personally I think nuff of you won't talk truth because you're scared to talk.

[Grafter]

Its an obsessive peculiar interest

"Intended for academic scrutiny"

Ok

Do a uni course then?

[Elementalism]

5 minutes ago, Grafter said:

Its an obsessive peculiar interest

How is it peculiar? You do realize the Hot Summer/Cold Winter threads were not started by me, nor have I contributed frequently to them.

Am I obsessed or is there a systemic problem that I am consistently having to focus on?

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What I do with my life and the information I possess is completely my choice. I could make it more entertaining for you and start a channel like Al Profit, GullyTV or I can analyse content more informally. 

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So what I choose to do with my life disturbs you? Is it more disturbing that the crimes themselves? What about the system that enables it?

[Grafter]

We all share this forum

So what YOU choose to do with YOUR life on here is viewable by others and open to comment

With you, its not just these threads, it's kartel an all the yard stuff as well. Doesn't matter if u didn't start it, its your content that I deem obsessive and peculiar in particular

[Elementalism]

Just now, Grafter said:

We all share this forum

So what YOU choose to do with YOUR life on here is viewable by others and open to comment

That's redundant. I obviously post to invite comment.

Address what I said about being disturbed. Are you disturbed by this thread? What specifically about my posts disturbs you, and how does that compare to the actually crimes, the social conditions and the culture that is currently perpetuating them.

You're attacking a messenger.

[Grafter]

Not attacking you b, please no hyperbole

I labelled this thread voyeuristic because it is just that

Your content across all threads is excessive to the point of disturbing. Its like you really enjoy this subject matter which is voyeuristic. And therefore disturbing. If you really care about making a change rather than chatting, I feel your energies would be better spent doing something actually practical

But u know if the subjects of your chat are those different Jamaicans your parents told you about, or "the bad black people", I dont expect anything more than what youre doing now

[Elementalism]

10 minutes ago, Grafter said:

With you, its not just these threads, it's kartel an all the yard stuff as well. Doesn't matter if u didn't start it, its your content that I deem obsessive and peculiar in particular

So hold on.

I'm Jamaican, you're from Ghana. If I was a whiteboy, me discussing Jamaican culture (and associated criminality) would be peculiar. But I'm a Jamaican. It might make you feel uncomfortable (even poorly read) because you don't possess the same knowledge about these topics as me, but that's not my problem - that's yours.

Did I start the Vybz thread? Or the Dudus thread? Did I derail the threads by posting off-topic randomness, or did I add relevant, recent content to them? 

What are YOU doing to fix the problem aside from telling me what I could do.

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Edit - And it's clear that I care.

[Grafter]

Ok

Have a nice evening b

As you were

[Elementalism]

Just now, Grafter said:

Ok

Have a nice evening b

As you were

You haven't got a leg to stand on tbh, you're way out of your depth.

Scroll up and you'll see how stupid the exchange is. I've explained my interests completely and you can't actually say what's peculiar or obsessive.

Maybe you're one of the many, many Africans who became obsessed with Jamaican culture and slang growing up and developed your own 'peculiar obsession' that you feel the need to project onto me.